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I'm shocked someone actually voted no. What would their justification for that vote be? Legit curious if they had a proper argument, didn't understand the issue

I'm shocked someone actually voted no. What would their justification for that vote be? Legit curious if they had a proper argument, didn't understand the issue, or if it was some type of corporate influence.

unnouinceput 7y ago
I bet was the latter.
jsight 7y ago
In some cases, it may be a legitimate desire to let the market sort it out. It isn't as if there are laws barring manufacturers from allowing end-users. Arguably, the "right" answer would be for customers to go to vendors that provide support for end users repairing their own products.
sadfklsjlkjwt 7y ago
In any given vote some small percentage of people tick the wrong box by mistake.
celeritascelery 7y ago
With that many votes there is a good chance it was just an accident.
viggity 7y ago
I like to play devil's advocate... Imagine this - a sprayer stops working for any reason. Farmer purchases a non-oem electronics replacement part, but that part used a counterfeit FTDI usb controller but it silently fails. Now, the signal to turn off the sprayer when it approaches a waterway, or a school doesn't happen like it should. Obviously, the replacement part maker should take all the blame. But do you think the media is going to wait for an investigation as to why it didn't turn off, or are they going to roll footage of the gigantic green tractor and the sprayer it is towing? What if the replacement part doesn't properly sense that an access cover is open and ergo it doesn't fail safely and crushes the farmers arm and ultimately kills him? What if a bug in the software causes this error to only happen on one day or the year, or only when it is between 4:30 and 5:00? You can bet your ass that JD is testing the ever loving hell out of their parts, but is the replacement manufacturer? This isn't a physical device like a bearing that requires dimensional accuracy, or proper loading capacity. It is so, so, so much more complicated than that. How would you feel if self driving cars on the road had sensors that weren't properly vetted by their manufacturer. It isn't just the driver that is put in danger, it is everyone around them. The same goes for a sprayer and waterways.
- sounds 7y ago
  Deere already disclaims all liability for the use of their equipment. Farmers already know they are left standing alone if they have any sort of issue like the one you described. Without this crucial right to repair, the farmer would have to take the insane step of relying on John Deere to implicate John Deere in the case of a lawsuit. John Deere Repairman: "Oh, no, Mr. Farmer, our equipment functioned flawlessly." Farmer: "But it suddenly started spraying poison at the school, automatically." John Deere Repairman: "My computer terminal shows that it received a direct command from Mr. Farmer. I rest my case."
nwallin 7y ago
They might be running old equipment whose only electronic equipment is the spark plugs and headlights. The people who don't upgrade old equipment tend to fall very heavily in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" camp, and this applies equally to legislation as well as farm equipment.
- sokoloff 7y ago
  If it's diesel, they won't even have spark plugs... (They'll have a starter motor and likely a generator/alternator, though for both gas and diesel.)
kwiens 7y ago
The individual that voted no runs an equipment dealership.

unnouinceput 7y ago

I bet was the latter.

jsight 7y ago

In some cases, it may be a legitimate desire to let the market sort it out. It isn't as if there are laws barring manufacturers from allowing end-users. Arguably, the "right" answer would be for customers to go to vendors that provide support for end users repairing their own products.

sadfklsjlkjwt 7y ago

In any given vote some small percentage of people tick the wrong box by mistake.

celeritascelery 7y ago

With that many votes there is a good chance it was just an accident.

viggity 7y ago

I like to play devil's advocate... Imagine this - a sprayer stops working for any reason. Farmer purchases a non-oem electronics replacement part, but that part used a counterfeit FTDI usb controller but it silently fails. Now, the signal to turn off the sprayer when it approaches a waterway, or a school doesn't happen like it should. Obviously, the replacement part maker should take all the blame. But do you think the media is going to wait for an investigation as to why it didn't turn off, or are they going to roll footage of the gigantic green tractor and the sprayer it is towing? What if the replacement part doesn't properly sense that an access cover is open and ergo it doesn't fail safely and crushes the farmers arm and ultimately kills him? What if a bug in the software causes this error to only happen on one day or the year, or only when it is between 4:30 and 5:00? You can bet your ass that JD is testing the ever loving hell out of their parts, but is the replacement manufacturer? This isn't a physical device like a bearing that requires dimensional accuracy, or proper loading capacity. It is so, so, so much more complicated than that. How would you feel if self driving cars on the road had sensors that weren't properly vetted by their manufacturer. It isn't just the driver that is put in danger, it is everyone around them. The same goes for a sprayer and waterways.

sounds 7y ago
Deere already disclaims all liability for the use of their equipment. Farmers already know they are left standing alone if they have any sort of issue like the one you described. Without this crucial right to repair, the farmer would have to take the insane step of relying on John Deere to implicate John Deere in the case of a lawsuit. John Deere Repairman: "Oh, no, Mr. Farmer, our equipment functioned flawlessly." Farmer: "But it suddenly started spraying poison at the school, automatically." John Deere Repairman: "My computer terminal shows that it received a direct command from Mr. Farmer. I rest my case."

nwallin 7y ago

They might be running old equipment whose only electronic equipment is the spark plugs and headlights. The people who don't upgrade old equipment tend to fall very heavily in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" camp, and this applies equally to legislation as well as farm equipment.

sokoloff 7y ago
If it's diesel, they won't even have spark plugs... (They'll have a starter motor and likely a generator/alternator, though for both gas and diesel.)

kwiens 7y ago

The individual that voted no runs an equipment dealership.