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>Books like this, or the works of other terrible French scholars, are the bread and butter of this fashionable nonsense I must admit, at someone familiar with

>Books like this, or the works of other terrible French scholars, are the bread and butter of this fashionable nonsense I must admit, at someone familiar with the works, I couldn't disagree more. Althusser never seemed like nonsense to me, nor did Foucault, Badiou, Deleuze etc. - but the fact that it can be used as fashionable nonsense by a university debate team does not make it so. If you want real arguments and discussions on the topic, put it into Google Scholar and read some papers around whatever work you think is "fashionable nonsense". It's not as though the authors want to keep it as "nonsense" either - Debord famously published the Comments too.

Der_Einzige 7y ago
How do you read Lacan or Deleuze and think those thoughts? "it's about the "mirror stage", except my body without organs didn't reterritorialize enough for me. Such a Westphalian cartography of thought is telelogical and causes Freud's solar anuses to explode from my nose." Is this a Deleuze or Lacan quote? No, but you'd be hard pressed to prove it isn't because you can ctrl-F through any word or phrase I used above and find the exact line where they begin their charade. The worst part about them is that now people think that Freud's bullshit was right. No the Oedipus complex doesn't exist. The additional context of knowing why DnG or Lacan are critiquing Freud doesn't help when you realize that every intellectual link in that chain is bankrupt. Worse yet, they abjectly failed to treat any psychiatric patients and themselves literally went crazy. Deleuze killed himself. Althusser killed his wife. All of them hurt future psychiatry with their nonsense. And don't get me started on lacans bullshit math symbols.
- claudiawerner 7y ago
  >The worst part about them is that now people think that Freud's bullshit was right. Freud used to get a lot of attention, and now he doesn't - mostly because of his treatment by Popper, a treatment that has been refuted several times over. I'm not saying Freud is unassailable, but to say he's so useless as to not be used is ridiculous. There's much more to Freud than the Oedipus complex. >Deleuze killed himself. Althusser killed his wife. All of them hurt future psychiatry with their nonsense. This is a very uncharitable treatment of the authors (it's unclear why their personal problems have anything to do with their work; name me an author less saintly than Tolstoy or Spinoza and I'll find words to hang them), and the fact that nobody really practices psychoanalysis based on Deleuze, and Althusser wasn't even in the same camp. My point was that it's wrong to paint every French scholar of the 60s, 70s and 80s with the same brush. The actual legacy of Deleuze in psychiatry is nil. His legacy in psychoanalysis is slightly more than nil.

Der_Einzige 7y ago

How do you read Lacan or Deleuze and think those thoughts? "it's about the "mirror stage", except my body without organs didn't reterritorialize enough for me. Such a Westphalian cartography of thought is telelogical and causes Freud's solar anuses to explode from my nose." Is this a Deleuze or Lacan quote? No, but you'd be hard pressed to prove it isn't because you can ctrl-F through any word or phrase I used above and find the exact line where they begin their charade. The worst part about them is that now people think that Freud's bullshit was right. No the Oedipus complex doesn't exist. The additional context of knowing why DnG or Lacan are critiquing Freud doesn't help when you realize that every intellectual link in that chain is bankrupt. Worse yet, they abjectly failed to treat any psychiatric patients and themselves literally went crazy. Deleuze killed himself. Althusser killed his wife. All of them hurt future psychiatry with their nonsense. And don't get me started on lacans bullshit math symbols.

claudiawerner 7y ago
>The worst part about them is that now people think that Freud's bullshit was right. Freud used to get a lot of attention, and now he doesn't - mostly because of his treatment by Popper, a treatment that has been refuted several times over. I'm not saying Freud is unassailable, but to say he's so useless as to not be used is ridiculous. There's much more to Freud than the Oedipus complex. >Deleuze killed himself. Althusser killed his wife. All of them hurt future psychiatry with their nonsense. This is a very uncharitable treatment of the authors (it's unclear why their personal problems have anything to do with their work; name me an author less saintly than Tolstoy or Spinoza and I'll find words to hang them), and the fact that nobody really practices psychoanalysis based on Deleuze, and Althusser wasn't even in the same camp. My point was that it's wrong to paint every French scholar of the 60s, 70s and 80s with the same brush. The actual legacy of Deleuze in psychiatry is nil. His legacy in psychoanalysis is slightly more than nil.