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The first spurts of urine aren't actually sterile, nevermind the area around the urinal (where there's probably a non-zero chance of transfer). Ultimately wash

by fouc 7y ago

The first spurts of urine aren't actually sterile, nevermind the area around the urinal (where there's probably a non-zero chance of transfer). Ultimately washing hands is for the benefit of other people. It just shows conscientiousness.

topmonk 7y ago
It makes your hands dry, though.
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- AstralStorm 7y ago
  Push for a better soap then, disinfectant, or use a cream. Well, even just scrubbing the hands under water is better than nothing, if that's an insoluble problem in your organization.
  - topmonk 7y ago
    I wasn't talking about soap. I never use it or shampoo either. My theory is that by washing away all the oils from your skin, you just encourage your body to produce oil faster. That's why you soap users get all goopy at the end of the day and your clothes smell. I can wear my clothes for at least 48 hours before they start to smell. But anyway, even just water can dry out my hands, and I don't want to use any creams. Either they contain alcohol and dry my hands out further or make them too greasy, and cause then to stop producing oils. I think your just going to have to get used to the fact that there is going to be traces of poop and pee wherever you go. I mean, even if people like me did wash my hands, the spray from flushing the toilet disperses fecal matter and urine throughout the whole room, onto your clothes, on your hair, in your mouth when you breathe. It's probably a healthy thing, exposing your immune system, anyway.
    - 867-5309 7y ago
      why would you favour naturally oily hands over clean hands? you are sacrificing everybody's hygiene for your own comfort. what do you do around babies and the elderly? despite your superior body chemistry, do you not wash your clothes in soap? would you refuse antiseptic treatment, or condone a team of surgeons with your unhygienic practice to save your life? there is a reason humans harness sanitation: it saves and prolongs lives
      - topmonk 7y ago
        > why would you favour naturally oily hands over clean hands? At the end of the day, with your accelerated oil producing hands, that became that way because you are constantly stripping them of it, your hands are much more goopy than mine. > you are sacrificing everybody's hygiene for your own comfort. what do you do around babies and the elderly? I don't even think about it. Despite your implication of calamity, nothing happens. (Besides, babies are a lot dirtier than me, drooling and sticking everything in their mouths) > despite your superior body chemistry, do you not wash your clothes in soap? Clothes are another matter, they aren't living organisms with evolved mechanisms to survive in a natural environment full of all kinds of microorganisms that could kill you. You need to wash clothes just as you need to take care of any artificial tool. Naturally, we don't need soap. This is a classic marketing technique, create a problem, “hygiene”, then push a solution, buy my soap. Only the soap creates more problems, but nevermind that. Oh if you're really suffering, buy my hand cream. > would you refuse antiseptic treatment, or condone a team of surgeons with your unhygienic practice to save your life? Would you take blood pressure medication when you didn't need it? How about put a cast on your arm for a week after lifting a heavy object just in case the bones are slightly weakened? Just because medicine can cure a problem doesn't mean you should use it all the time. > there is a reason humans harness sanitation: it saves and prolongs lives An enormous oversimplification. Obviously it saves lives, but if we lived in a world where we never came in contact with any microorganism that might kill us, our defense systems would be weakened to a point where if we were ever exposed to one, we'd all die.
        867-5309 7y ago
verst 7y ago
Doesn't seem that "mid stream" is sterile either. Urine simply isn't sterile. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urotoday.com/conference-highlights/aua-2019-annual-meeting/aua-2019-infections-inflammation/112448-aua-2019-urine-is-not-sterile-what-s-next.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urotoday.com/conference-hig...
- collyw 7y ago
  Maybe not completely, but they told us that it was when i studied biology 25 years ago. And on outdoor first aid courses where water wasn't available to clean wounds it was also suggested that urine could be used.
tapland 7y ago
Though after showering in the morning and putting those parts in cotton clothes it might be the cleanest area you've been close to touching the last few hours when going to the bathroom.

by fouc 7y ago

topmonk 7y ago

It makes your hands dry, though.

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AstralStorm 7y ago
Push for a better soap then, disinfectant, or use a cream. Well, even just scrubbing the hands under water is better than nothing, if that's an insoluble problem in your organization.
- topmonk 7y ago
  I wasn't talking about soap. I never use it or shampoo either. My theory is that by washing away all the oils from your skin, you just encourage your body to produce oil faster. That's why you soap users get all goopy at the end of the day and your clothes smell. I can wear my clothes for at least 48 hours before they start to smell. But anyway, even just water can dry out my hands, and I don't want to use any creams. Either they contain alcohol and dry my hands out further or make them too greasy, and cause then to stop producing oils. I think your just going to have to get used to the fact that there is going to be traces of poop and pee wherever you go. I mean, even if people like me did wash my hands, the spray from flushing the toilet disperses fecal matter and urine throughout the whole room, onto your clothes, on your hair, in your mouth when you breathe. It's probably a healthy thing, exposing your immune system, anyway.
  - 867-5309 7y ago
    why would you favour naturally oily hands over clean hands? you are sacrificing everybody's hygiene for your own comfort. what do you do around babies and the elderly? despite your superior body chemistry, do you not wash your clothes in soap? would you refuse antiseptic treatment, or condone a team of surgeons with your unhygienic practice to save your life? there is a reason humans harness sanitation: it saves and prolongs lives
    - topmonk 7y ago
      > why would you favour naturally oily hands over clean hands? At the end of the day, with your accelerated oil producing hands, that became that way because you are constantly stripping them of it, your hands are much more goopy than mine. > you are sacrificing everybody's hygiene for your own comfort. what do you do around babies and the elderly? I don't even think about it. Despite your implication of calamity, nothing happens. (Besides, babies are a lot dirtier than me, drooling and sticking everything in their mouths) > despite your superior body chemistry, do you not wash your clothes in soap? Clothes are another matter, they aren't living organisms with evolved mechanisms to survive in a natural environment full of all kinds of microorganisms that could kill you. You need to wash clothes just as you need to take care of any artificial tool. Naturally, we don't need soap. This is a classic marketing technique, create a problem, “hygiene”, then push a solution, buy my soap. Only the soap creates more problems, but nevermind that. Oh if you're really suffering, buy my hand cream. > would you refuse antiseptic treatment, or condone a team of surgeons with your unhygienic practice to save your life? Would you take blood pressure medication when you didn't need it? How about put a cast on your arm for a week after lifting a heavy object just in case the bones are slightly weakened? Just because medicine can cure a problem doesn't mean you should use it all the time. > there is a reason humans harness sanitation: it saves and prolongs lives An enormous oversimplification. Obviously it saves lives, but if we lived in a world where we never came in contact with any microorganism that might kill us, our defense systems would be weakened to a point where if we were ever exposed to one, we'd all die.
      - 867-5309 7y ago

verst 7y ago

Doesn't seem that "mid stream" is sterile either. Urine simply isn't sterile. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urotoday.com/conference-highlights/aua-2019-annual-meeting/aua-2019-infections-inflammation/112448-aua-2019-urine-is-not-sterile-what-s-next.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urotoday.com/conference-hig...

collyw 7y ago
Maybe not completely, but they told us that it was when i studied biology 25 years ago. And on outdoor first aid courses where water wasn't available to clean wounds it was also suggested that urine could be used.

tapland 7y ago

Though after showering in the morning and putting those parts in cotton clothes it might be the cleanest area you've been close to touching the last few hours when going to the bathroom.