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The bit about unknown knowns does not make sense to me, also it seems to change the point of reference. It is referencing things from third party perspectives w
by chirau 7y ago
The bit about unknown knowns does not make sense to me, also it seems to change the point of reference. It is referencing things from third party perspectives whereas the original ones are referencing from first party.
That is, you are talking other things other entities might not know about me that I know myself which makes them, from my point of reference, known knowns. And in the event that I don't know those things myself they just become unknown unknowns.
If you don't change goalposts and keep the point of reference constant, unknown knowns wouldn't exist.
Personally, if I actually had to define unknown known from the individual entity's point of reference it would most probably refer to derived or calculated values. For example, do I know the product of 171 and 342.45673. Do I know I could calculate it? Yes. But do I know it by head? No. Which means it is eventually a known but right now it's still unknown. But even that is a stretch of a definition.
I am convinced Rumsfeld's initial proposition covers the entire space of knowledge. Maybe you could give actual examples of unknown knowns from the individual's perspective.
- rriepe 7y agoIf your parents are in town and ask where the nearest weed dispensary is, you might pretend not to know, even though you know. That's an unknown known.
- quelltext 7y agoBut you still know it. Pretending not to know doesn't render it unknown knowledge. To the other person/parents they don't know that you know, but that's looking at knowledge of party a vs. party b, which is mot quite what all this is about. Yo your parents it's still a known unknown (hence why they ask you). I believe the closest to unknown knowns would be temporary loss of knowledge, where at a given moment you don't manage to make the right connections between the known knowns. So it's a "could know" given the right moment or prerequisite calculation step/thought, but right there you don't so it's an unknown known.
- rriepe 7y agoYeah, I think the add-on is more of a cheeky social commentary. Biases could also be unknown knowns.
- ronilan 7y agoWhere are the weapons of mass destruction? Is nicotine addictive? Was this reviewed by management? What the meaning of the word is is? https://youtu.be/j4XT-l-_3y0 https://youtu.be/j4XT-l-_3y0 Edit: and from a completely different realm, sadly - why is the baby not moving?
- jacobush 7y agoWhen I read "unknown known" I thought that it was going in this direction: "I apparently know how to parallel park - I didn't know I could do that". And other stuff like it. "Oh, I could manage this project, never thought I'd manage." The stuff in our brains not immediately accessible to our conscious thoughts. But OP didn't go there which surprised me.