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Yet most (western) countries immigration policy is set on the opposite assumption - that personality traits (of which IQ is only one) are not heritable. The ca

by deogeo 7y ago

Yet most (western) countries immigration policy is set on the opposite assumption - that personality traits (of which IQ is only one) are not heritable. The caution and "well it's complicated" shouldn't run in only one direction.

vanderZwan 7y ago
> Yet most (western) countries immigration policy is set on the opposite assumption - that personality traits (of which IQ is only one) are not heritable. This is something often said by white people who never had to deal with the many issues around migrating to Western countries, even though we have the entire history of eugenics and "scientific" racism proving the opposite. > The caution and "well it's complicated" shouldn't run in only one direction. That would assume that there are two equally valid opposing views here, and yet there is nothing here to back that up. Science doesn't run on "both sides"-isms.
- deogeo 7y ago
  > That would assume that there are two equally valid opposing views here, and yet there is nothing here to back that up. So why does the opening of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ say "Twin studies of adult individuals have found a heritability of IQ between 57% and 73% with the most recent studies showing heritability for IQ as high as 80% and 86%."? Is the mountain of research on the heritability of psychological traits so obviously 'nothing', you don't even have to bother giving a source for your claim?
  - throwawaytkgll 7y ago
    Wikipedia isn't as authoritative a source as you think it is, especially for subjects like this that are heavily gatekeeped by people with an ax to grin (without necessarily having the actual credentials to back it up) And heritability doesn't mean what you think it does I'm choosing to believe you're arguing in good faith, so prepare to ingest a decent amount of material if you want to understand why: http://bactra.org/weblog/520.html http://bactra.org/weblog/520.html
    - fakegalitarian 7y ago
      I read your link: > Do I think there are currently any genetic variations which, holding environment fixed to within some reasonable norms for prosperous, democratic, industrial or post-industrial societies, would tend to lead to differences in IQ? There my answer is "yes, of course". > [If you put a gun to my head] Here, my honest answer would be that I presently have no evidence one way or the other. If you put a gun to my head and asked me to guess, and I couldn't tell what answer you wanted to hear, I'd say that my suspicion is that there are, mostly on the strength of analogy to other areas of biology where we know much more. Great. Did you know conscienciousness is heritable too?

by deogeo 7y ago

vanderZwan 7y ago

> Yet most (western) countries immigration policy is set on the opposite assumption - that personality traits (of which IQ is only one) are not heritable. This is something often said by white people who never had to deal with the many issues around migrating to Western countries, even though we have the entire history of eugenics and "scientific" racism proving the opposite. > The caution and "well it's complicated" shouldn't run in only one direction. That would assume that there are two equally valid opposing views here, and yet there is nothing here to back that up. Science doesn't run on "both sides"-isms.

deogeo 7y ago
> That would assume that there are two equally valid opposing views here, and yet there is nothing here to back that up. So why does the opening of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ say "Twin studies of adult individuals have found a heritability of IQ between 57% and 73% with the most recent studies showing heritability for IQ as high as 80% and 86%."? Is the mountain of research on the heritability of psychological traits so obviously 'nothing', you don't even have to bother giving a source for your claim?
- throwawaytkgll 7y ago
  Wikipedia isn't as authoritative a source as you think it is, especially for subjects like this that are heavily gatekeeped by people with an ax to grin (without necessarily having the actual credentials to back it up) And heritability doesn't mean what you think it does I'm choosing to believe you're arguing in good faith, so prepare to ingest a decent amount of material if you want to understand why: http://bactra.org/weblog/520.html http://bactra.org/weblog/520.html
  - fakegalitarian 7y ago
    I read your link: > Do I think there are currently any genetic variations which, holding environment fixed to within some reasonable norms for prosperous, democratic, industrial or post-industrial societies, would tend to lead to differences in IQ? There my answer is "yes, of course". > [If you put a gun to my head] Here, my honest answer would be that I presently have no evidence one way or the other. If you put a gun to my head and asked me to guess, and I couldn't tell what answer you wanted to hear, I'd say that my suspicion is that there are, mostly on the strength of analogy to other areas of biology where we know much more. Great. Did you know conscienciousness is heritable too?