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Are PyCharm and WebStorm different from the other JetBrains products? Usually the products are nothing more than a collection of IntelliJ Ultimate plugins that

by xienze 7y ago

Are PyCharm and WebStorm different from the other JetBrains products? Usually the products are nothing more than a collection of IntelliJ Ultimate plugins that are packaged up and sold separately. In other words, what you want to buy is Ultimate.

toyg 7y ago
> Usually the products are nothing more than a collection of IntelliJ Ultimate plugins That's not really true. The experience you get from, e.g. PyCharm and GoLand is substantially better than what you get from IDEA + Python plugin or IDEA + Go plugin. Yes, the plugin will get you 85% of the way there, but it will feel more clumsy and hacky than just using the dedicated product.
- heavenlyblue 7y ago
  That’s absolutely wrong. The only thing that you’ll notice in IDEA is that it makes certain assumptions about Java (e.g vocabulary and certain menu items are Java-related), but otherwise the functionality is the same.
  - zo1 7y ago
    Python support inside IDEA is not the same as Pycharm, please don't confuse people. If you want to do Python development, use PyCharm. For Java, use IDEA.
    - heavenlyblue 7y ago
      I have used IDEA for 4 years doing Python development. Now I am using PyCharm, where the only difference is that it doesn’t support multi-module projects. Please specify the differences as I am seeing none.
  - modernerd 7y ago
    The language specific apps also seem to get updated before the language plugins do. I used to use IntelliJ Ultimate, and had to wait a while before getting new features announced for PhpStorm, for example. I now just use PhpStorm for PHP and GoLand for Go, instead of attempting to use IntelliJ for all languages. I spend less time configuring IntelliJ for each language and get updates on release day. JetBrains has an "everything" licence that I was able to migrate to from IntelliJ Ultimate.
    - heavenlyblue 7y ago
      Not if you’re using the nightly (EAP) IDEA, however. I have used IDEA and PyCharm for enough time to say there’s 0 difference between the two.
  - mthoms 7y ago
    Actually, you're wrong. There are indeed plenty of features that are specific to each IDE/Language that aren't in the IDEA-equivalent plugins.
    - heavenlyblue 7y ago
      Would you mind listing these differences? I have used idea for 4 years and PyCharm for a year.

by xienze 7y ago

toyg 7y ago

> Usually the products are nothing more than a collection of IntelliJ Ultimate plugins That's not really true. The experience you get from, e.g. PyCharm and GoLand is substantially better than what you get from IDEA + Python plugin or IDEA + Go plugin. Yes, the plugin will get you 85% of the way there, but it will feel more clumsy and hacky than just using the dedicated product.

heavenlyblue 7y ago
That’s absolutely wrong. The only thing that you’ll notice in IDEA is that it makes certain assumptions about Java (e.g vocabulary and certain menu items are Java-related), but otherwise the functionality is the same.
- zo1 7y ago
  Python support inside IDEA is not the same as Pycharm, please don't confuse people. If you want to do Python development, use PyCharm. For Java, use IDEA.
  - heavenlyblue 7y ago
    I have used IDEA for 4 years doing Python development. Now I am using PyCharm, where the only difference is that it doesn’t support multi-module projects. Please specify the differences as I am seeing none.
- modernerd 7y ago
  The language specific apps also seem to get updated before the language plugins do. I used to use IntelliJ Ultimate, and had to wait a while before getting new features announced for PhpStorm, for example. I now just use PhpStorm for PHP and GoLand for Go, instead of attempting to use IntelliJ for all languages. I spend less time configuring IntelliJ for each language and get updates on release day. JetBrains has an "everything" licence that I was able to migrate to from IntelliJ Ultimate.
  - heavenlyblue 7y ago
    Not if you’re using the nightly (EAP) IDEA, however. I have used IDEA and PyCharm for enough time to say there’s 0 difference between the two.
- mthoms 7y ago
  Actually, you're wrong. There are indeed plenty of features that are specific to each IDE/Language that aren't in the IDEA-equivalent plugins.
  - heavenlyblue 7y ago
    Would you mind listing these differences? I have used idea for 4 years and PyCharm for a year.