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> And in this world Google has an actual monopoly that won’t be broken without government intervention. On what? I genuinely don't see what people think googl

> And in this world Google has an actual monopoly that won’t be broken without government intervention. On what? I genuinely don't see what people think google has a "monopoly" on. It's definitely the biggest player in search and ads, but it's nowhere near the only company. I wouldn't even call them "overly dominant"

BlueTemplar 7y ago
Google, not "overtly dominant" in its Search, Maps and YouTube services?!? (Also Android, going by market share rather than worth.)
- ttoinou 7y ago
  They are just as dominant as they provide good service. there are alternatives, nobody is forcing people to use Google
- jedimastert 7y ago
  YouTube might be the closest for user generated streaming and video hosting, but Twitch and Vimeo still exist and are happily chugging along. Maps and Search, not really. I'm perfectly happy to use DDG for both, and I'm not made to suffer for it. As a litmus test I might say that "overly dominant" means that a slightly-above-average member of the audience couldn't name another option, and I don't really think any of these would hold up. > Also Android, going by market share rather than worth. Android vs iOS are actually surprisingly close, with iOS winning in the US <https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#us> https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#us> (admittedly this is measured through UA sniffing and fingerprinting on websites, but I think the point stands)
  - BlueTemplar 7y ago
    > Maps and Search, not really. If you go with that, OpenStreetMap/iOS Maps and Bing "still exist and are happily chugging along" too ? In the US maybe, but worldwide Android has 87% market share ! As a reminder, "monopoly" is the ability of being able to dictate your terms to the market - when a company (or cartel) has such a power, the market isn't free anymore.

BlueTemplar 7y ago

Google, not "overtly dominant" in its Search, Maps and YouTube services?!? (Also Android, going by market share rather than worth.)

ttoinou 7y ago
They are just as dominant as they provide good service. there are alternatives, nobody is forcing people to use Google
jedimastert 7y ago
YouTube might be the closest for user generated streaming and video hosting, but Twitch and Vimeo still exist and are happily chugging along. Maps and Search, not really. I'm perfectly happy to use DDG for both, and I'm not made to suffer for it. As a litmus test I might say that "overly dominant" means that a slightly-above-average member of the audience couldn't name another option, and I don't really think any of these would hold up. > Also Android, going by market share rather than worth. Android vs iOS are actually surprisingly close, with iOS winning in the US <https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#us> https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#us> (admittedly this is measured through UA sniffing and fingerprinting on websites, but I think the point stands)
- BlueTemplar 7y ago
  > Maps and Search, not really. If you go with that, OpenStreetMap/iOS Maps and Bing "still exist and are happily chugging along" too ? In the US maybe, but worldwide Android has 87% market share ! As a reminder, "monopoly" is the ability of being able to dictate your terms to the market - when a company (or cartel) has such a power, the market isn't free anymore.