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> I also don't think it is politically incorrect to acknowledge that men and women are different and may have different preferences, as long as it is not used i

> I also don't think it is politically incorrect to acknowledge that men and women are different and may have different preferences, as long as it is not used in the context to dismiss valid concerns about how women and men are treated socially, politically, and economically. Damore argued exactly for this but it still led to a shitstorm which ultimately got him fired. This proves that these things are still extremely politically incorrect.

andybak 7y ago
> Damore argued exactly for this but it still led to a shitstorm which ultimately got him fired. This proves that these things are still extremely politically incorrect. Whether what happened to him was right or wrong, your statement is an oversimplification of that case. But as a mod said further up, let's not go there as this discussion will spiral off into typically unproductive territory.
ScottBurson 7y ago
Ah, but I think Damore did dismiss those valid concerns. Not explicitly, as far as I recall, but implicitly, in choosing to feel victimized as a man by Google's personnel practices. Someone who had made a sincere effort to understand how women are treated in tech (and indeed, in business generally) would, I daresay, not have written as he did.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  Damore didn't feel victimized by Google's personnel practices until after those "practices" involved him being fired from Google. He argued that policies that were purportedly intended to increase "fairness" in hiring were in fact markedly unfair, ineffective at their presumed goal and reflective of a growing political polarization within Google itself that was worrisome on its own. It's quite common to express concerns about fairness and related issues without feeling victimized personally.
- jbjohns 7y ago
  When it comes to Damore I think it's important to understand that he thought he was writing to an internal group and could easily have been a bit looser with his language expecting to "bounce off ideas". The real problem here was releasing his memo to the internet without letting him prepare it for that medium first. If I were Google, I would have fired him too because business but I would have fired the leaker as well (or everyone who could have leaked it if I couldn't find out who it was).
thinkingemote 7y ago
Damore was fired for spreading "unhelpful stereotypes". The truth or falsehood of the stereotypes was not mentioned by his employer; rather that it was unhelpful.

andybak 7y ago

> Damore argued exactly for this but it still led to a shitstorm which ultimately got him fired. This proves that these things are still extremely politically incorrect. Whether what happened to him was right or wrong, your statement is an oversimplification of that case. But as a mod said further up, let's not go there as this discussion will spiral off into typically unproductive territory.

ScottBurson 7y ago

Ah, but I think Damore did dismiss those valid concerns. Not explicitly, as far as I recall, but implicitly, in choosing to feel victimized as a man by Google's personnel practices. Someone who had made a sincere effort to understand how women are treated in tech (and indeed, in business generally) would, I daresay, not have written as he did.

zozbot234 7y ago
Damore didn't feel victimized by Google's personnel practices until after those "practices" involved him being fired from Google. He argued that policies that were purportedly intended to increase "fairness" in hiring were in fact markedly unfair, ineffective at their presumed goal and reflective of a growing political polarization within Google itself that was worrisome on its own. It's quite common to express concerns about fairness and related issues without feeling victimized personally.
jbjohns 7y ago
When it comes to Damore I think it's important to understand that he thought he was writing to an internal group and could easily have been a bit looser with his language expecting to "bounce off ideas". The real problem here was releasing his memo to the internet without letting him prepare it for that medium first. If I were Google, I would have fired him too because business but I would have fired the leaker as well (or everyone who could have leaked it if I couldn't find out who it was).

thinkingemote 7y ago

Damore was fired for spreading "unhelpful stereotypes". The truth or falsehood of the stereotypes was not mentioned by his employer; rather that it was unhelpful.