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Fun read. I’ve never heard the term “crypto Jews” before — I’ve just used the special case “Marranos”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrano https://en.m.wik

Fun read. I’ve never heard the term “crypto Jews” before — I’ve just used the special case “Marranos”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrano https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrano

shmerl 7y ago
That's a derogative term though. Jewish term is anusim.
- mendelmaleh 7y ago
  The Hebrew term can also have a derogative meaning.
- lordgrenville 7y ago
  ("anusim" being Hebrew for "forced"/"under duress")
  - chaosite 7y ago
    It does mean "forced" or "under duress" in this sense, but in a very strong sense. It shares the same root as "raped".
ptsneves 7y ago
In Portugal they were called New Christians. Things were so crappy for these people. They trace their history both in Portugal and Spain for centuries. Frictions existed but things were mostly settled with whole villages professing Jewish creed. Hell even the kings were fine with this and took a very profitable tax from their difference for as long as there was portuguese kingdom(do not know about the Muslim occupation). Then something, which I still do not understand where it came from, all the Jewish people started to be prosecuted and were forced to convert. A shame and a disgrace that can still be studied in places like Belmonte or Reguengos de Monsaraz. As a heads up, you can get automatic portuguese nationality if you can prove that your ancestors were Jewish people exiled during the inquisition. This is special because portuguese nationality is only inheritable up to grandparent level and is not automatic outside portuguese territory. Remarkably there have been Israel citizens applying for in non significant numbers.
pvaldes 7y ago
Footnote: Marrano in spanish is a colloquial term for "pig", (one covered in mud from head to toes) and by extension means a "very dirty people". Is another example of a word that is fair to use to denote a temporal trait but awful to use as a permanent trait. For example: "You were playing in the mud and acting like a pig, so wash you before dinner" is acceptable. "You are a pig" (always, therefore: cattle, subhuman, etc...) it isn't. Is a derogatory word from a long time ago, happily surpassed. Would be very rude to use it in a spanish speaking context to describe a jew nowadays (except maybe as an historical reference or cite).

Fun read. I’ve never heard the term “crypto Jews” before — I’ve just used the special case “Marranos”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrano https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrano

shmerl 7y ago

That's a derogative term though. Jewish term is anusim.

mendelmaleh 7y ago
The Hebrew term can also have a derogative meaning.
lordgrenville 7y ago
("anusim" being Hebrew for "forced"/"under duress")
- chaosite 7y ago
  It does mean "forced" or "under duress" in this sense, but in a very strong sense. It shares the same root as "raped".

ptsneves 7y ago

In Portugal they were called New Christians. Things were so crappy for these people. They trace their history both in Portugal and Spain for centuries. Frictions existed but things were mostly settled with whole villages professing Jewish creed. Hell even the kings were fine with this and took a very profitable tax from their difference for as long as there was portuguese kingdom(do not know about the Muslim occupation). Then something, which I still do not understand where it came from, all the Jewish people started to be prosecuted and were forced to convert. A shame and a disgrace that can still be studied in places like Belmonte or Reguengos de Monsaraz. As a heads up, you can get automatic portuguese nationality if you can prove that your ancestors were Jewish people exiled during the inquisition. This is special because portuguese nationality is only inheritable up to grandparent level and is not automatic outside portuguese territory. Remarkably there have been Israel citizens applying for in non significant numbers.

pvaldes 7y ago

Footnote: Marrano in spanish is a colloquial term for "pig", (one covered in mud from head to toes) and by extension means a "very dirty people". Is another example of a word that is fair to use to denote a temporal trait but awful to use as a permanent trait. For example: "You were playing in the mud and acting like a pig, so wash you before dinner" is acceptable. "You are a pig" (always, therefore: cattle, subhuman, etc...) it isn't. Is a derogatory word from a long time ago, happily surpassed. Would be very rude to use it in a spanish speaking context to describe a jew nowadays (except maybe as an historical reference or cite).