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> In a strong sense, this implies ML is not "intelligent" in any conventional sense of the word. I don’t know why people have so much faith in ML and AI. Consi

> In a strong sense, this implies ML is not "intelligent" in any conventional sense of the word. I don’t know why people have so much faith in ML and AI. Considering what a CPU actually does, shouldn’t the default position be one of skepticism? It’d be truly amazing if you can make a machine intelligent in the human sense by merely coming up with a clever algorithm.

DavidSJ 7y ago
Or we could flip your question around: Considering what a neuron actually does, shouldn't the default position be that the brain is a computer?
- macintux 7y ago
  How certain are we of what neurons and other building blocks of the brain actually do?
- 2muchcoffeeman 7y ago
  No, because you’re being reductive. Biological organisms are clearly not like silicon computers. Maybe biologist come up with the next big break through. I mean, if you want to match an organically grown organism ...
  - warent 7y ago
    Is it clear that they're not alike? In the end it's all information and data being processed, whether by silicon or neural cell. What difference does the medium make to the end result?
  - lukastr0 7y ago
    Then at the very least, you should be able to simulate a biological brain, neuron by neuron, and get an intelligent computer that way. If you agree that's possible, you also have to consider whether it's the most efficient approach -- plausibly special algorithms could be invented that get the same intelligence at a fraction of the computing power.
- friendlybus 7y ago
  Every advanced tech has been used as a metaphor for how the mind works. People used to think the brain worked like a piston engine. Now people think the brain is like a computer. Some people also think we are a network ala the internet of biological persons. Lots of artists think in images. Some people see the brain as an evolving story. The people who have any idea how the brain works are those that have been studying it for decades, I would be interested in those metaphors.
friendlybus 7y ago
The conversation around artificial intelligence is more of a call to action for human intelligence to figure out what we need to do and how wield ML than it is a description of the fundamentals of the computing. Even if the results are mediocre in the extreme, you can bunch together a huge amount of social and business change under that banner. I'd argue that's why people have faith in AI not because of what a computer can do, but because it is a call to faith in humans ourselves to integrate the technology and all implicated changes to it's maximum potential.

DavidSJ 7y ago

Or we could flip your question around: Considering what a neuron actually does, shouldn't the default position be that the brain is a computer?

macintux 7y ago
How certain are we of what neurons and other building blocks of the brain actually do?
2muchcoffeeman 7y ago
No, because you’re being reductive. Biological organisms are clearly not like silicon computers. Maybe biologist come up with the next big break through. I mean, if you want to match an organically grown organism ...
- warent 7y ago
  Is it clear that they're not alike? In the end it's all information and data being processed, whether by silicon or neural cell. What difference does the medium make to the end result?
- lukastr0 7y ago
  Then at the very least, you should be able to simulate a biological brain, neuron by neuron, and get an intelligent computer that way. If you agree that's possible, you also have to consider whether it's the most efficient approach -- plausibly special algorithms could be invented that get the same intelligence at a fraction of the computing power.
friendlybus 7y ago
Every advanced tech has been used as a metaphor for how the mind works. People used to think the brain worked like a piston engine. Now people think the brain is like a computer. Some people also think we are a network ala the internet of biological persons. Lots of artists think in images. Some people see the brain as an evolving story. The people who have any idea how the brain works are those that have been studying it for decades, I would be interested in those metaphors.

friendlybus 7y ago

The conversation around artificial intelligence is more of a call to action for human intelligence to figure out what we need to do and how wield ML than it is a description of the fundamentals of the computing. Even if the results are mediocre in the extreme, you can bunch together a huge amount of social and business change under that banner. I'd argue that's why people have faith in AI not because of what a computer can do, but because it is a call to faith in humans ourselves to integrate the technology and all implicated changes to it's maximum potential.