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A great example I love showing people is Alpha Zero's infamous "Immortal Zugzwang Game" against Stockfish [0]. Stockfish gets utterly annihilated in a trap that

A great example I love showing people is Alpha Zero's infamous "Immortal Zugzwang Game" against Stockfish [0]. Stockfish gets utterly annihilated in a trap that seemingly springs out of nowhere, though of course the reality is that Alpha Zero was actually really in control the entire time. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFXJWPhDsSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFXJWPhDsSY

spectramax 7y ago
This is insanely exciting. I am terrible at Chess, but I've watched thousands of games on Youtube over the last 10 years or so. Optically and mechanically, this game feels so refreshing. After being exposed to this almost robotic way of playing at the top GM levels - standard openings, usually the novelty starts around move 12-16 and sometimes longer! It is difficult to describe the "style" of AlphaZero. The best way I can describe it is by comparing how intermediate players chess without being exposed to a lot of theory. Amazing and exciting for Chess fans.
- ramshorns 7y ago
  So the humans play more robotically than the robots.
  - B1FF_PSUVM 7y ago
    "The problem is not computers thinking like people, it's people thinking like computers." (I think I read this quotation dated back to the 1960s or 70s, attributed to one of usual suspects of that time, but cannot find search results for it now ...)
    - notanote 7y ago
      “The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers.“ — Sydney J. Harris As quoted, without citation, in Howard W. Eves, Return to Mathematical Circles, (1988), 63. https://todayinsci.com/H/Harris_Sydney/HarrisSydney-Quotations.htm https://todayinsci.com/H/Harris_Sydney/HarrisSydney-Quotatio...
    - anigbrowl 7y ago
      This ought to be permanently posted at the op of every HN thread.
EGreg 7y ago
I remember seeing this and thinking that Stockfish didn’t have to retreat its queen into the h8 corner, it could have simply moved it to a1
zzo38computer 7y ago
Is a PGN available?
- why_only_15 7y ago
  There's one in the description: 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 b6 3. d4 e6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 c5 6. d5 exd5 7. cxd5 Bb7 8. Bg2 Nxd5 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rd1 Be7 11. Qf5 Nf6 12. e4 g6 13. Qf4 O-O 14. e5 Nh5 15. Qg4 Re8 16. Nc3 Qb8 17. Nd5 Bf8 18. Bf4 Qc8 19. h3 Ne7 20. Ne3 Bc6 21. Rd6 Ng7 22. Rf6 Qb7 23. Bh6 Nd5 24. Nxd5 Bxd5 25. Rd1 Ne6 26. Bxf8 Rxf8 27. Qh4 Bc6 28. Qh6 Rae8 29. Rd6 Bxf3 30. Bxf3 Qa6 31. h4 Qa5 32. Rd1 c4 33. Rd5 Qe1+ 34. Kg2 c3 35. bxc3 Qxc3 36. h5 Re7 37. Bd1 Qe1 38. Bb3 Rd8 39. Rf3 Qe4 40. Qd2 Qg4 41. Bd1 Qe4 42. h6 Nc7 43. Rd6 Ne6 44. Bb3 Qxe5 45. Rd5 Qh8 46. Qb4 Nc5 47. Rxc5 bxc5 48. Qh4 Rde8 49. Rf6 Rf8 50. Qf4 a5 51. g4 d5 52. Bxd5 Rd7 53. Bc4 a4 54. g5 a3 55. Qf3 Rc7 56. Qxa3 Qxf6 57. gxf6 Rfc8 58. Qd3 Rf8 59. Qd6 Rfc8 60. a4

spectramax 7y ago

This is insanely exciting. I am terrible at Chess, but I've watched thousands of games on Youtube over the last 10 years or so. Optically and mechanically, this game feels so refreshing. After being exposed to this almost robotic way of playing at the top GM levels - standard openings, usually the novelty starts around move 12-16 and sometimes longer! It is difficult to describe the "style" of AlphaZero. The best way I can describe it is by comparing how intermediate players chess without being exposed to a lot of theory. Amazing and exciting for Chess fans.

ramshorns 7y ago
So the humans play more robotically than the robots.
- B1FF_PSUVM 7y ago
  "The problem is not computers thinking like people, it's people thinking like computers." (I think I read this quotation dated back to the 1960s or 70s, attributed to one of usual suspects of that time, but cannot find search results for it now ...)
  - notanote 7y ago
    “The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers.“ — Sydney J. Harris As quoted, without citation, in Howard W. Eves, Return to Mathematical Circles, (1988), 63. https://todayinsci.com/H/Harris_Sydney/HarrisSydney-Quotations.htm https://todayinsci.com/H/Harris_Sydney/HarrisSydney-Quotatio...
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    This ought to be permanently posted at the op of every HN thread.

EGreg 7y ago

I remember seeing this and thinking that Stockfish didn’t have to retreat its queen into the h8 corner, it could have simply moved it to a1

zzo38computer 7y ago

Is a PGN available?

why_only_15 7y ago
There's one in the description: 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 b6 3. d4 e6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 c5 6. d5 exd5 7. cxd5 Bb7 8. Bg2 Nxd5 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rd1 Be7 11. Qf5 Nf6 12. e4 g6 13. Qf4 O-O 14. e5 Nh5 15. Qg4 Re8 16. Nc3 Qb8 17. Nd5 Bf8 18. Bf4 Qc8 19. h3 Ne7 20. Ne3 Bc6 21. Rd6 Ng7 22. Rf6 Qb7 23. Bh6 Nd5 24. Nxd5 Bxd5 25. Rd1 Ne6 26. Bxf8 Rxf8 27. Qh4 Bc6 28. Qh6 Rae8 29. Rd6 Bxf3 30. Bxf3 Qa6 31. h4 Qa5 32. Rd1 c4 33. Rd5 Qe1+ 34. Kg2 c3 35. bxc3 Qxc3 36. h5 Re7 37. Bd1 Qe1 38. Bb3 Rd8 39. Rf3 Qe4 40. Qd2 Qg4 41. Bd1 Qe4 42. h6 Nc7 43. Rd6 Ne6 44. Bb3 Qxe5 45. Rd5 Qh8 46. Qb4 Nc5 47. Rxc5 bxc5 48. Qh4 Rde8 49. Rf6 Rf8 50. Qf4 a5 51. g4 d5 52. Bxd5 Rd7 53. Bc4 a4 54. g5 a3 55. Qf3 Rc7 56. Qxa3 Qxf6 57. gxf6 Rfc8 58. Qd3 Rf8 59. Qd6 Rfc8 60. a4