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It's true in Australia, in any case, at least for people who arrive by boat or are on the way to deportation. I assume most Australians who work in Germany wou

It's true in Australia, in any case, at least for people who arrive by boat or are on the way to deportation. I assume most Australians who work in Germany would have an EU citizenship by descent from their parents: not so unusual given the number of immigrants in Australia.

netsharc 7y ago
Actually it's quite easy to get a residence/work permit in the EU: https://www.apply.eu/BlueCard/Germany/Germany.pdf https://www.apply.eu/BlueCard/Germany/Germany.pdf You more or less just need a university degree, a valid job offer, and you'll get a permit. For IT jobs they don't even demand that you're someone who's highly sought after in the field and whom the employer is willing to pay a lot more, the wage mentioned there is more or less entry level for IT graduates in Germany.
- incompatible 7y ago
  Interesting. It looks like the paperwork would be a lot easier if you obtain a degree in Germany, which is probably a good thing to do in any case.
- usr1106 7y ago
  > Actually it's quite easy to get a residence/work permit in the EU EU has nothing to do with your residence/work permit. That is a national process and the rules differ (If you have a residence permit in EU you free to travel, but not to work in the whole EU.) We just discussed the issue at work (Finland) the other day. We get a lot of applicants from outside of EU and not many local ones. The official duration to handle an application for a work permit is 4 months. That includes only the time when the authorities "have the ball", not the time they are requesting additional information. So in practice better plan for 6 months. Which employer is willing to wait 6 months for a new employee they don't really know yet? Germany is officially searching for non-EU IT workers. Whether that makes the process much smoother I don't know. I remember reading the number of successful cases has been disappointing.
  - ben_w 7y ago
    The EU blue card scheme doesn’t fully replace local immigration rules (and AFIK isn’t even fully deployed yet), it’s just an easy route for high-paid roles. I’m expecting to apply for one post-Brexit, and the only reason I don’t already have one is that EU citizens aren’t allowed to apply.
    - netsharc 7y ago
      Wouldn't there be a flood of Brits after Brexit, making your job search harder? I'd say leave now (huh, no pun intended), but I guess EU companies are at the moment reluctant to take British citizens as employees. Alternatively if you have a bit of Irish or Italian in your heritage, you can get a passport from one of them.
      - ben_w 7y ago
        I’ve already got the job. I moved to Germany about 16 months ago. I’m just not allowed to apply for a blue card until after I stop being an EU citizen. Everything will probably work out for me, partly because I have been making a few levels of backup plans beyond what I expect to need, even before the referendum.
    - usr1106 7y ago
      Oh, I wasn't aware of the Blue Card scheme. That has not gained a lot of public attention here in Finland I'd say. It's not relevant for our company. No software engineer here earns the required 4732 € / mo. Both schemes exist. Handling time for Blue card is 1 month, for the national permit it is 4 months.

netsharc 7y ago

Actually it's quite easy to get a residence/work permit in the EU: https://www.apply.eu/BlueCard/Germany/Germany.pdf https://www.apply.eu/BlueCard/Germany/Germany.pdf You more or less just need a university degree, a valid job offer, and you'll get a permit. For IT jobs they don't even demand that you're someone who's highly sought after in the field and whom the employer is willing to pay a lot more, the wage mentioned there is more or less entry level for IT graduates in Germany.

incompatible 7y ago
Interesting. It looks like the paperwork would be a lot easier if you obtain a degree in Germany, which is probably a good thing to do in any case.
usr1106 7y ago
> Actually it's quite easy to get a residence/work permit in the EU EU has nothing to do with your residence/work permit. That is a national process and the rules differ (If you have a residence permit in EU you free to travel, but not to work in the whole EU.) We just discussed the issue at work (Finland) the other day. We get a lot of applicants from outside of EU and not many local ones. The official duration to handle an application for a work permit is 4 months. That includes only the time when the authorities "have the ball", not the time they are requesting additional information. So in practice better plan for 6 months. Which employer is willing to wait 6 months for a new employee they don't really know yet? Germany is officially searching for non-EU IT workers. Whether that makes the process much smoother I don't know. I remember reading the number of successful cases has been disappointing.
- ben_w 7y ago
  The EU blue card scheme doesn’t fully replace local immigration rules (and AFIK isn’t even fully deployed yet), it’s just an easy route for high-paid roles. I’m expecting to apply for one post-Brexit, and the only reason I don’t already have one is that EU citizens aren’t allowed to apply.
  - netsharc 7y ago
    Wouldn't there be a flood of Brits after Brexit, making your job search harder? I'd say leave now (huh, no pun intended), but I guess EU companies are at the moment reluctant to take British citizens as employees. Alternatively if you have a bit of Irish or Italian in your heritage, you can get a passport from one of them.
    - ben_w 7y ago
      I’ve already got the job. I moved to Germany about 16 months ago. I’m just not allowed to apply for a blue card until after I stop being an EU citizen. Everything will probably work out for me, partly because I have been making a few levels of backup plans beyond what I expect to need, even before the referendum.
  - usr1106 7y ago
    Oh, I wasn't aware of the Blue Card scheme. That has not gained a lot of public attention here in Finland I'd say. It's not relevant for our company. No software engineer here earns the required 4732 € / mo. Both schemes exist. Handling time for Blue card is 1 month, for the national permit it is 4 months.