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Immigration can be a bit unfriendly (like in many countries), and your treatment might depend on your origin or citizenship (for obvious reasons), but it is qui

by FabHK 7y ago

Immigration can be a bit unfriendly (like in many countries), and your treatment might depend on your origin or citizenship (for obvious reasons), but it is quite a claim to insinuate racism or racist motivation. The claim that people “routinely get held at extraterritorial prisons indefinitely“ is wrong, I’d say. Do substantiate it.

incompatible 7y ago
It's true in Australia, in any case, at least for people who arrive by boat or are on the way to deportation. I assume most Australians who work in Germany would have an EU citizenship by descent from their parents: not so unusual given the number of immigrants in Australia.
- netsharc 7y ago
  Actually it's quite easy to get a residence/work permit in the EU: https://www.apply.eu/BlueCard/Germany/Germany.pdf https://www.apply.eu/BlueCard/Germany/Germany.pdf You more or less just need a university degree, a valid job offer, and you'll get a permit. For IT jobs they don't even demand that you're someone who's highly sought after in the field and whom the employer is willing to pay a lot more, the wage mentioned there is more or less entry level for IT graduates in Germany.
  - incompatible 7y ago
    Interesting. It looks like the paperwork would be a lot easier if you obtain a degree in Germany, which is probably a good thing to do in any case.
  - usr1106 7y ago
    > Actually it's quite easy to get a residence/work permit in the EU EU has nothing to do with your residence/work permit. That is a national process and the rules differ (If you have a residence permit in EU you free to travel, but not to work in the whole EU.) We just discussed the issue at work (Finland) the other day. We get a lot of applicants from outside of EU and not many local ones. The official duration to handle an application for a work permit is 4 months. That includes only the time when the authorities "have the ball", not the time they are requesting additional information. So in practice better plan for 6 months. Which employer is willing to wait 6 months for a new employee they don't really know yet? Germany is officially searching for non-EU IT workers. Whether that makes the process much smoother I don't know. I remember reading the number of successful cases has been disappointing.
    - ben_w 7y ago
      The EU blue card scheme doesn’t fully replace local immigration rules (and AFIK isn’t even fully deployed yet), it’s just an easy route for high-paid roles. I’m expecting to apply for one post-Brexit, and the only reason I don’t already have one is that EU citizens aren’t allowed to apply.
      - netsharc 7y ago
        Wouldn't there be a flood of Brits after Brexit, making your job search harder? I'd say leave now (huh, no pun intended), but I guess EU companies are at the moment reluctant to take British citizens as employees. Alternatively if you have a bit of Irish or Italian in your heritage, you can get a passport from one of them.
        ben_w 7y ago
        I’ve already got the job. I moved to Germany about 16 months ago. I’m just not allowed to apply for a blue card until after I stop being an EU citizen. Everything will probably work out for me, partly because I have been making a few levels of backup plans beyond what I expect to need, even before the referendum.
      - usr1106 7y ago
        Oh, I wasn't aware of the Blue Card scheme. That has not gained a lot of public attention here in Finland I'd say. It's not relevant for our company. No software engineer here earns the required 4732 € / mo. Both schemes exist. Handling time for Blue card is 1 month, for the national permit it is 4 months.

by FabHK 7y ago

incompatible 7y ago

It's true in Australia, in any case, at least for people who arrive by boat or are on the way to deportation. I assume most Australians who work in Germany would have an EU citizenship by descent from their parents: not so unusual given the number of immigrants in Australia.

netsharc 7y ago
Actually it's quite easy to get a residence/work permit in the EU: https://www.apply.eu/BlueCard/Germany/Germany.pdf https://www.apply.eu/BlueCard/Germany/Germany.pdf You more or less just need a university degree, a valid job offer, and you'll get a permit. For IT jobs they don't even demand that you're someone who's highly sought after in the field and whom the employer is willing to pay a lot more, the wage mentioned there is more or less entry level for IT graduates in Germany.
- incompatible 7y ago
  Interesting. It looks like the paperwork would be a lot easier if you obtain a degree in Germany, which is probably a good thing to do in any case.
- usr1106 7y ago
  > Actually it's quite easy to get a residence/work permit in the EU EU has nothing to do with your residence/work permit. That is a national process and the rules differ (If you have a residence permit in EU you free to travel, but not to work in the whole EU.) We just discussed the issue at work (Finland) the other day. We get a lot of applicants from outside of EU and not many local ones. The official duration to handle an application for a work permit is 4 months. That includes only the time when the authorities "have the ball", not the time they are requesting additional information. So in practice better plan for 6 months. Which employer is willing to wait 6 months for a new employee they don't really know yet? Germany is officially searching for non-EU IT workers. Whether that makes the process much smoother I don't know. I remember reading the number of successful cases has been disappointing.
  - ben_w 7y ago
    The EU blue card scheme doesn’t fully replace local immigration rules (and AFIK isn’t even fully deployed yet), it’s just an easy route for high-paid roles. I’m expecting to apply for one post-Brexit, and the only reason I don’t already have one is that EU citizens aren’t allowed to apply.
    - netsharc 7y ago
      Wouldn't there be a flood of Brits after Brexit, making your job search harder? I'd say leave now (huh, no pun intended), but I guess EU companies are at the moment reluctant to take British citizens as employees. Alternatively if you have a bit of Irish or Italian in your heritage, you can get a passport from one of them.
      - ben_w 7y ago
        I’ve already got the job. I moved to Germany about 16 months ago. I’m just not allowed to apply for a blue card until after I stop being an EU citizen. Everything will probably work out for me, partly because I have been making a few levels of backup plans beyond what I expect to need, even before the referendum.
    - usr1106 7y ago
      Oh, I wasn't aware of the Blue Card scheme. That has not gained a lot of public attention here in Finland I'd say. It's not relevant for our company. No software engineer here earns the required 4732 € / mo. Both schemes exist. Handling time for Blue card is 1 month, for the national permit it is 4 months.