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Trust has to be earned--even for non-felons. After the debt is paid, I think that puts the balance at zero. How many tech firms hire at zero--other than in si

Trust has to be earned--even for non-felons. After the debt is paid, I think that puts the balance at zero. How many tech firms hire at zero--other than in situations like this limited-time virtue signaling / PR fodder opportunity?

bdcravens 7y ago
> Trust has to be earned--even for non-felons Yet we hire kids straight out of college or a bootcamp and give them access to production data.
- jstewartmobile 7y ago
  Straight out of college, not straight out of prison for being an accessory to somebody getting loaded with buckshot.
  - bdcravens 7y ago
    That sounds nice and dramatic, but I don't see how a terrible choice someone made 10 years ago says anything about how trustworthy they are with regard to financial or personal information. It seems you're leaving out the assumption: once a criminal, always a criminal.
    - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
      Well, this graph does shed some light on that... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism#/media/File:Recidivism_1994.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism#/media/File:Recidiv... For white collar crime, which seems most relevant to the topic at hand, the recidivism rate is slightly less at about 48%. https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=145143 https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=1451...
      - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
        One argument some people will want to make is: This possibly speaks more about how our current incarceration methods are failing society, than it does about any particular person who’s been incarcerated.
  - tmarsden 7y ago
    The article said it was birdshot, not buckshot. Still a crime but birdshot is far less lethal than buckshot.
danso 7y ago
The prisoners hired ostensibly showed commitment to good behavior, rehabilitation, and self-education, over a period of many years, in an environment extremely non-conducive to such aspirations. That amounts to more than “zero”.
dang 7y ago
Why do you assume they're not earning trust? The article says: All three apprentices were placed on the test-automation team, which writes tests to ensure the quality of other engineers’ code, precisely because it’s insulated from customer data. The people doing the hiring are aware of the issue, as anyone in their position would be. It is obvious. Would you mind re-reading the site guidelines and noting this one? "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jstewartmobile 7y ago
  I am so sorry for not accepting and praising this Atlantic-laundered Slack press release. If my reading comprehension were on-point, I would have clearly understood that this is against site guidelines. Please delete my account, posts, and comments so that they no longer taint this fine establishment.
  - TulliusCicero 7y ago
    This kind of snark is unnecessary. You can get your point across without the abrasive language.

bdcravens 7y ago

> Trust has to be earned--even for non-felons Yet we hire kids straight out of college or a bootcamp and give them access to production data.

jstewartmobile 7y ago
Straight out of college, not straight out of prison for being an accessory to somebody getting loaded with buckshot.
- bdcravens 7y ago
  That sounds nice and dramatic, but I don't see how a terrible choice someone made 10 years ago says anything about how trustworthy they are with regard to financial or personal information. It seems you're leaving out the assumption: once a criminal, always a criminal.
  - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
    Well, this graph does shed some light on that... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism#/media/File:Recidivism_1994.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism#/media/File:Recidiv... For white collar crime, which seems most relevant to the topic at hand, the recidivism rate is slightly less at about 48%. https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=145143 https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=1451...
    - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
      One argument some people will want to make is: This possibly speaks more about how our current incarceration methods are failing society, than it does about any particular person who’s been incarcerated.
- tmarsden 7y ago
  The article said it was birdshot, not buckshot. Still a crime but birdshot is far less lethal than buckshot.

danso 7y ago

The prisoners hired ostensibly showed commitment to good behavior, rehabilitation, and self-education, over a period of many years, in an environment extremely non-conducive to such aspirations. That amounts to more than “zero”.

dang 7y ago

Why do you assume they're not earning trust? The article says: All three apprentices were placed on the test-automation team, which writes tests to ensure the quality of other engineers’ code, precisely because it’s insulated from customer data. The people doing the hiring are aware of the issue, as anyone in their position would be. It is obvious. Would you mind re-reading the site guidelines and noting this one? "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jstewartmobile 7y ago
I am so sorry for not accepting and praising this Atlantic-laundered Slack press release. If my reading comprehension were on-point, I would have clearly understood that this is against site guidelines. Please delete my account, posts, and comments so that they no longer taint this fine establishment.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  This kind of snark is unnecessary. You can get your point across without the abrasive language.