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> In many (most) cases any IP you create does belong to them. Why do Americans consider themselves free?

trulyrandom 7y ago
Because they are free to choose to not work for a company that has such an IP clause in its employee contract. They are also free to negotiate a change to that clause.
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  Theoretically. Not everyone has the liberty to change jobs at will and be fine.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- michaelbrave 7y ago
  Ah yes, the choice of working or not working.
  - amiga_500 7y ago
    I choose to live on the street and not pay my wages via tribute to usurers! I'm free! (no loitering).
ican1 7y ago
This comment is unnecessarily antagonistic. The government here doesn't intrude as much on private employment contracts as in Europe. Maybe as a result the salaries in the US are much higher and unemployment rate over time also much lower.
- fock 7y ago
  and mortality is increasing again. geez, what a great country to live in!
  - imgabe 7y ago
    Freedom includes the freedom to make bad decisions.
- amiga_500 7y ago
  > intrude as much on private employment Is the state 'intruding' when they preserve your other rights?
arkano 7y ago
It can be the same thing in Europe, at least the contracts I've seen say so.
- chmod775 7y ago
  Just because it's there in the contract doesn't mean it's legal. I'm not sure which European country you are referring to, but as a German I'd look at you funny if you had the audacity to put something like that in an employment contract (but honestly, I very strongly doubt any employer would do so in the first place).
  - YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
    In the UK I've signed a few employment contracts with such clauses, that If I produce something outside of working hours the company still owns it. I signed the contracts anyway assuming that most likely the company would not be interested in what I created outside working hours (or even know of it) and that they would only get interested if it becamse really successful, in which case I would probably have the means to defend it.
  - arkano 7y ago
    > Just because it's there in the contract doesn't mean it's legal. No, but should be likely that it is, right? Not worth the risk to put such clauses in there otherwise. And I was talking about the UK.
dvdhnt 7y ago
Some of us don’t.
CalRobert 7y ago
This is rampant in Europe too.
marcus_holmes 7y ago
it's the same in UK, EU and Australian law.
- zwaps 7y ago
  No it is not. In Germany, you need to make a new contract with explicit payment https://www.urheberrecht-leipzig.de/urheberrecht-nutzungsrechte-des-arbeitgebers-an-kreativen-leistungen-der-mitarbeiter.html https://www.urheberrecht-leipzig.de/urheberrecht-nutzungsrec...
  - marcus_holmes 7y ago
    my bad, I haven't checked Germany. I stand corrected. Just UK and Australia then.

Because they are free to choose to not work for a company that has such an IP clause in its employee contract. They are also free to negotiate a change to that clause.

colejohnson66 7y ago
Theoretically. Not everyone has the liberty to change jobs at will and be fine.
- deleted 7y ago
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michaelbrave 7y ago
Ah yes, the choice of working or not working.
- amiga_500 7y ago
  I choose to live on the street and not pay my wages via tribute to usurers! I'm free! (no loitering).

ican1 7y ago

This comment is unnecessarily antagonistic. The government here doesn't intrude as much on private employment contracts as in Europe. Maybe as a result the salaries in the US are much higher and unemployment rate over time also much lower.

fock 7y ago
and mortality is increasing again. geez, what a great country to live in!
- imgabe 7y ago
  Freedom includes the freedom to make bad decisions.
amiga_500 7y ago
> intrude as much on private employment Is the state 'intruding' when they preserve your other rights?

arkano 7y ago

It can be the same thing in Europe, at least the contracts I've seen say so.

chmod775 7y ago
Just because it's there in the contract doesn't mean it's legal. I'm not sure which European country you are referring to, but as a German I'd look at you funny if you had the audacity to put something like that in an employment contract (but honestly, I very strongly doubt any employer would do so in the first place).
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
  In the UK I've signed a few employment contracts with such clauses, that If I produce something outside of working hours the company still owns it. I signed the contracts anyway assuming that most likely the company would not be interested in what I created outside working hours (or even know of it) and that they would only get interested if it becamse really successful, in which case I would probably have the means to defend it.
- arkano 7y ago
  > Just because it's there in the contract doesn't mean it's legal. No, but should be likely that it is, right? Not worth the risk to put such clauses in there otherwise. And I was talking about the UK.

dvdhnt 7y ago

Some of us don’t.

CalRobert 7y ago

This is rampant in Europe too.

marcus_holmes 7y ago

it's the same in UK, EU and Australian law.

zwaps 7y ago
No it is not. In Germany, you need to make a new contract with explicit payment https://www.urheberrecht-leipzig.de/urheberrecht-nutzungsrechte-des-arbeitgebers-an-kreativen-leistungen-der-mitarbeiter.html https://www.urheberrecht-leipzig.de/urheberrecht-nutzungsrec...
- marcus_holmes 7y ago
  my bad, I haven't checked Germany. I stand corrected. Just UK and Australia then.