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The three vehicles (S, X, 3) by the NHTSA (look at the graph of the best 50 cars they have ever tested) https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-i

• masklinn 7y ago
  > Model X first and only SUV to get 5 starts from the Euro NCAP: It's not even the only SUV to get 5 stars from 2019: https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/?selectedClasses=1197&allProtocols=true&selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=34803,30636,26061,24370,1472,5910,5931,-1,14999&allClasses=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra... You managed to out-shill tesla's own marketing copy, your link merely states that it got 5 stars from NCAP and outlines points they think are of interest. At no point do they state it's the "first and only SUV" to get 5 stars from either NCAP or NHTSA (they do state it's the first and only SUV to get 5 stars in every single category and sub-category which is an impressive claim but much less so than your statement). > Quote from Euro N-Cap themselves: "The stand-out performer of this round is undoubtedly Tesla’s Model X, scoring 94 percent for Safety Assist, the same as the Model 3 scored early this year. This makes the two Teslas the best performers in this part of the assessment against Euro NCAP’s most recent protocols" I don't know if you can't read the quote you provide or you don't remember your original statement: this praises safety assistance, it doesn't say that it's "the […] safest vehicles ever produced in the history of the world". > I could keep Googling… Yes I'm sure you could keep shilling, and, frankly, lying. I don't even understand why you keep doing that, Tesla absolutely does get impressive results and are at the top of the pack, had that been your assertion that would've ben fine, and would have supported your point (regardless of your point being somewhat off from the article's explicit concerns about pedestrian safety on which Tesla scores are generally good but in the low 70s where other cars manage 80s and even the rare low 90s for the Z4[0] and the CLA[1]). [0] https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/bmw/z4/38091 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/bmw/z4/38091 [1] https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mercedes-benz/cla-class/38093 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mercedes-benz/cla-class/...
  • grecy 7y ago
    > they do state it's the first and only SUV to get 5 stars in every single category and sub-category which is an impressive claim but much less so than your statement If it's the first and only SUV to get 5 stars in every single category and sub-category.... doesn't that make it the safest ever, by ver definition? If not, why not? Also it's odd you use the word "claim". There are no "claims" here, there are factual safety ratings by independent government bodies. The NHTSA is not "claiming" it gets 5 starts in every category and sub-category, they are factually stating that it does. It sounds like you're trying to use language to make facts seen less like facts and more like opinions. Please don't do that, it's very dishonest.
    • masklinn 7y ago
      > If it's the first and only SUV to get 5 stars in every single category and sub-category.... doesn't that make it the safest ever, by ver definition? Ah I see we've gotten to the "moving the goalposts" part of your refusal to ever acknowledge your lies. > Also it's odd you use the word "claim". I fail to see how, though not being a native speaker I'm sure there are better synonyms available. > The NHTSA is not "claiming" it gets 5 starts in every category and sub-category, they are factually stating that it does. The subject of the phrase is Tesla not NHTSA. NHTSA gave Tesla the score, Tesla states the score they got, it's a claim. > It sounds like you're trying to use language to make facts seen less like facts and more like opinions. Please don't do that, it's very dishonest. I guess we can tack on a complete lack of honour to your repeatedly established lack of honesty, and with that I'm done with this "discussion".
• kybernetikos 7y ago
  Maybe the disagreement here is around the detail. NCAP give a star rating, but that's less granular than their actual scores. For example, for Adult occupant safety, the Tesla X scores very very well, but the Mazda CX-30 scores better. For child occupant safety, the Tesla is quite a long way down the rankings (still good, but 22 cars tested in 2019 do better). The case is similar for pedestrian safety - 18 cars score better than the best Tesla. In fact, the only area where Teslas seem to have a significant lead is in safety assist systems, which is things like seatbelt warning systems, speeding warning, lane assist and automatic braking. Nobody can plausibly claim that Teslas aren't incredibly safe cars, but "Safest on the planet" is not substantiated, and in particular the exact point under discussion here is pedestrian safety, and the ratings substantiate the claim that this is not one of the areas in which Tesla has a lead. https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/ https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra...