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Given that Tesla have designed and currently sell the three safest vehicles ever produced in the history of the world, I think it's safe to say they thought a l

by grecy 7y ago

Given that Tesla have designed and currently sell the three safest vehicles ever produced in the history of the world, I think it's safe to say they thought a little bit about crash safety on the Cybertruck. In fact, I'm willing to bet they thought about it a hell of a lot more than people speculating who were not involved in the design process. let's wait and see what happens, rather than through out wild speculation. (but then, the internet would be pointless I guess) EDIT: See my reply further down with links to all the safety records Tesla have set. Also, my point still stands. It's almost a certainty Tesla have spent many millions of dollars and thousands and thousands of design hours on the safety of the Cybertruck, while literally everyone commenting on it (including this expert from Europe) has spent zero.

pergadad 7y ago
The article is about an interview with one of the most senior road safety experts in Europe, saying that this does not conform to European approaches to car safety which aim not to protect the car from damage but rather to reduce harm on humans from the crash impact - both those within the car as well as potential pedestrians/cyclists/other drivers/... Its rather obvious that a car that has a rigid metal structure does not allow many avenues to channel the force of impact - so woe the pedestrian that's hit by a Cybertruck. No way European regulators - which actually certify and regulate rather than rubber-stamp manufacturers' own views - can let it go through in its current shape and form.
- grecy 7y ago
  I agree the guy is an expert - but let's be perfectly honest. He has never seen, driven or tested one, and has spent zero seconds reviewing and understanding the design. He is purely speculating like everyone else on the internet. Obviously he knows what he's talking about when it comes to safety and vehicles. I think it's safe to say he knows very, very little about the Cybertruck yet. This is 100% pure speculation, like almost everything about the Cybertruck on the internet so far.
- quaquaqua1 7y ago
  I'm sure the senior road safety experts in Europe are completely unbiased when they are calling for an inspection of this truck publically based on visual appearance alone
masklinn 7y ago
> Given that Tesla have designed and currently sell the three safest vehicles ever produced in the history of the world, I think it's safe to say they thought a little bit about crash safety on the Cybertruck. What's your evidence for this extraordinary claim? IIHS rates the model S as acceptable to good, the model 3 rates good across the board and is a top pick alongside dozens of others, and with six vehicles above it for year 2019. IIHS CRO stated unambiguously: > I don’t think that our results bear out that it’s the safest car ever Going with EuroNCAP instead and looking at just 2019 large family car[0] the model 3 does stand out in "safety assistance", it's on par for occupants and non-occupants, and widely beaten by the BMW Series 3 in that latter category. [0] https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/?selectedClasses=1201&allProtocols=false&selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=34803&allClasses=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra...
- grecy 7y ago
  The three vehicles (S, X, 3) by the NHTSA (look at the graph of the best 50 cars they have ever tested) https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury... Model X first and only SUV to get 5 starts from the Euro NCAP: https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-x-earns-5-star-safety-rating-euro-ncap?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-x-earns-5-star-safety-ratin... Model X first SUV to get get 5 stars in every category from NHSTA: https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-x-5-star-safety-rating?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-x-5-star-safety-ratin... Model S best safety rating of any car ever tested: https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safet... Quote from Euro N-Cap themselves: "The stand-out performer of this round is undoubtedly Tesla’s Model X, scoring 94 percent for Safety Assist, the same as the Model 3 scored early this year. This makes the two Teslas the best performers in this part of the assessment against Euro NCAP’s most recent protocols" https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/best-in-class-battle-heats-up-in-latest-batch-of-results/ https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/best-... I could keep Googling... I'm sure there's an award they got for one of the vehicles being the first ever to get 5 stars in North America AND Europe. I think it was the X or the S.
kybernetikos 7y ago
> Tesla have designed and currently sell the three safest vehicles ever produced in the history of the world, I've never seen anything to suggest that Tesla cars are the safest available. They generally appear in the top group on rankings but I've not seen any where they actually had the top spots. Maybe you could point me to some?

by grecy 7y ago

pergadad 7y ago

The article is about an interview with one of the most senior road safety experts in Europe, saying that this does not conform to European approaches to car safety which aim not to protect the car from damage but rather to reduce harm on humans from the crash impact - both those within the car as well as potential pedestrians/cyclists/other drivers/... Its rather obvious that a car that has a rigid metal structure does not allow many avenues to channel the force of impact - so woe the pedestrian that's hit by a Cybertruck. No way European regulators - which actually certify and regulate rather than rubber-stamp manufacturers' own views - can let it go through in its current shape and form.

grecy 7y ago
I agree the guy is an expert - but let's be perfectly honest. He has never seen, driven or tested one, and has spent zero seconds reviewing and understanding the design. He is purely speculating like everyone else on the internet. Obviously he knows what he's talking about when it comes to safety and vehicles. I think it's safe to say he knows very, very little about the Cybertruck yet. This is 100% pure speculation, like almost everything about the Cybertruck on the internet so far.
quaquaqua1 7y ago
I'm sure the senior road safety experts in Europe are completely unbiased when they are calling for an inspection of this truck publically based on visual appearance alone

masklinn 7y ago

> Given that Tesla have designed and currently sell the three safest vehicles ever produced in the history of the world, I think it's safe to say they thought a little bit about crash safety on the Cybertruck. What's your evidence for this extraordinary claim? IIHS rates the model S as acceptable to good, the model 3 rates good across the board and is a top pick alongside dozens of others, and with six vehicles above it for year 2019. IIHS CRO stated unambiguously: > I don’t think that our results bear out that it’s the safest car ever Going with EuroNCAP instead and looking at just 2019 large family car[0] the model 3 does stand out in "safety assistance", it's on par for occupants and non-occupants, and widely beaten by the BMW Series 3 in that latter category. [0] https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/?selectedClasses=1201&allProtocols=false&selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=34803&allClasses=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra...

grecy 7y ago
The three vehicles (S, X, 3) by the NHTSA (look at the graph of the best 50 cars they have ever tested) https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury... Model X first and only SUV to get 5 starts from the Euro NCAP: https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-x-earns-5-star-safety-rating-euro-ncap?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-x-earns-5-star-safety-ratin... Model X first SUV to get get 5 stars in every category from NHSTA: https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-x-5-star-safety-rating?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-x-5-star-safety-ratin... Model S best safety rating of any car ever tested: https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safet... Quote from Euro N-Cap themselves: "The stand-out performer of this round is undoubtedly Tesla’s Model X, scoring 94 percent for Safety Assist, the same as the Model 3 scored early this year. This makes the two Teslas the best performers in this part of the assessment against Euro NCAP’s most recent protocols" https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/best-in-class-battle-heats-up-in-latest-batch-of-results/ https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/best-... I could keep Googling... I'm sure there's an award they got for one of the vehicles being the first ever to get 5 stars in North America AND Europe. I think it was the X or the S.

kybernetikos 7y ago

> Tesla have designed and currently sell the three safest vehicles ever produced in the history of the world, I've never seen anything to suggest that Tesla cars are the safest available. They generally appear in the top group on rankings but I've not seen any where they actually had the top spots. Maybe you could point me to some?