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Find me a perpetual license for a version of Adobe Lightroom that has a 64-bit installer and I'll pay for it. But I'm not going to upgrade to a leased tool. L

Find me a perpetual license for a version of Adobe Lightroom that has a 64-bit installer and I'll pay for it. But I'm not going to upgrade to a leased tool. Luckily the perpetual Lightroom licenses work on Windows too, so when Mavericks loses support I'll probably migrate at least the photography workflows to wine (on not-macOS though).

dylan604 7y ago
What perpetual license? If you buy a copy of something like CC suite, it was for that current version. If Adobe updates a major upgrade (not point releases), they charged you again for the upgrade. That was usually 12-18 months. That was also $999 for those upgrades. Sure, you could stay on that version, but as the OS upgrades, that code becomes unusable forcing the upgrade. The "lease" licenses is $50/month or $600/yr (usually comes with a discount for the 12month purchase). You get access to the upgrades as they come so you're always current. Where's the evil? Oh, and with that $50/month, I can run it on 2 separate computers simultaneously. The original license was for one computer.
- detaro 7y ago
  The perpetual license to use the software in the version you bought. Few people truly needed every single version, but instead only upgraded when it became necessary or there was a killer feature they wanted.
  - dylan604 7y ago
    You're simply forgetting the fact that as the OS upgrades, the software that is not upgraded cannot be used without also upgrading. What's the last OS that CS6 could be installed? Also, anyone using Adobe software in a professional setting (meaning actually getting paid for using the software) can easily pay the monthly fees. Staying on an antiquated version of software means they can no longer open files that are created on recent versions of software (thinking Premiere). I have not met one professional that is still holding on to the perpetual license fallacy. The maths just don't add up.
    - detaro 7y ago
      at least Photoshop CS6 runs perfectly fine on a current Windows 10 (I suspect it wouldn't do good with a high-DPI screen though), but I agree that going all the way back to that today is not really something you'd do for regular professional use. Of course, not everyone is a professional user. That said, freelancers I know using Adobe software have to keep old versions around because clients don't upgrade. People are even now skipping or lagging versions, because they'd rather stay with a version they know works than invite new bugs by upgrading.
      - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
        > at least Photoshop CS6 runs perfectly fine on a current Windows 10 And on Mojave, by the way. It's only this stupid 32 bit thing that's killing it in Catalina. > but I agree that going all the way back to that today is not really something you'd do for regular professional use. Why? Adobe hasn't added anything particularly significant since CS6. (And I don't think it's a coincidence that they moved to a subscription model around the same time they stopped making significant improvements.)
    - IggleSniggle 7y ago
      I think it goes without saying that not everyone that buys software is a professional, and instead wish to use it a few times per year for job adjacent functions or as a hobbyist. For the "few times a year" folks, maybe "one month at a time is annoying but reasonable enough." Hobbyists, though, are in a bad spot.
    - breatheoften 7y ago
      I’d love to see professional licenses switch to a “maximally fair to the user subscription model”. If you use the thing in a given month, you autopay the monthly subscription fee — if you don’t use it at all in a given month — you pay nothing. people who use the software regularly pay basically the current subscription pricing model — but if you only use it very occasionally — you pay much less. I think this kind of pricing model could really help drive adoption of subscription pricing for professional tools ... I’d be willing to maintain a subscription to several expensive infrequently used by me tools with this kind of pricing model — and I might occasionally use those tools which would be better for the developer than me never using their tool at all ...
pram 7y ago
Mavericks has been out of support for 3 years JFYI
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  Mavericks has been out of support for 3 years JFYI Sorry I meant Mojave or whatever 10.14 is called.

dylan604 7y ago

What perpetual license? If you buy a copy of something like CC suite, it was for that current version. If Adobe updates a major upgrade (not point releases), they charged you again for the upgrade. That was usually 12-18 months. That was also $999 for those upgrades. Sure, you could stay on that version, but as the OS upgrades, that code becomes unusable forcing the upgrade. The "lease" licenses is $50/month or $600/yr (usually comes with a discount for the 12month purchase). You get access to the upgrades as they come so you're always current. Where's the evil? Oh, and with that $50/month, I can run it on 2 separate computers simultaneously. The original license was for one computer.

detaro 7y ago
The perpetual license to use the software in the version you bought. Few people truly needed every single version, but instead only upgraded when it became necessary or there was a killer feature they wanted.
- dylan604 7y ago
  You're simply forgetting the fact that as the OS upgrades, the software that is not upgraded cannot be used without also upgrading. What's the last OS that CS6 could be installed? Also, anyone using Adobe software in a professional setting (meaning actually getting paid for using the software) can easily pay the monthly fees. Staying on an antiquated version of software means they can no longer open files that are created on recent versions of software (thinking Premiere). I have not met one professional that is still holding on to the perpetual license fallacy. The maths just don't add up.
  - detaro 7y ago
    at least Photoshop CS6 runs perfectly fine on a current Windows 10 (I suspect it wouldn't do good with a high-DPI screen though), but I agree that going all the way back to that today is not really something you'd do for regular professional use. Of course, not everyone is a professional user. That said, freelancers I know using Adobe software have to keep old versions around because clients don't upgrade. People are even now skipping or lagging versions, because they'd rather stay with a version they know works than invite new bugs by upgrading.
    - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
      > at least Photoshop CS6 runs perfectly fine on a current Windows 10 And on Mojave, by the way. It's only this stupid 32 bit thing that's killing it in Catalina. > but I agree that going all the way back to that today is not really something you'd do for regular professional use. Why? Adobe hasn't added anything particularly significant since CS6. (And I don't think it's a coincidence that they moved to a subscription model around the same time they stopped making significant improvements.)
  - IggleSniggle 7y ago
    I think it goes without saying that not everyone that buys software is a professional, and instead wish to use it a few times per year for job adjacent functions or as a hobbyist. For the "few times a year" folks, maybe "one month at a time is annoying but reasonable enough." Hobbyists, though, are in a bad spot.
  - breatheoften 7y ago
    I’d love to see professional licenses switch to a “maximally fair to the user subscription model”. If you use the thing in a given month, you autopay the monthly subscription fee — if you don’t use it at all in a given month — you pay nothing. people who use the software regularly pay basically the current subscription pricing model — but if you only use it very occasionally — you pay much less. I think this kind of pricing model could really help drive adoption of subscription pricing for professional tools ... I’d be willing to maintain a subscription to several expensive infrequently used by me tools with this kind of pricing model — and I might occasionally use those tools which would be better for the developer than me never using their tool at all ...

pram 7y ago

Mavericks has been out of support for 3 years JFYI

inferiorhuman 7y ago
Mavericks has been out of support for 3 years JFYI Sorry I meant Mojave or whatever 10.14 is called.