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What am I supposed to go and do? Re-freeze Siberia?

cdumler 7y ago
Whatever you _can_ do. Consider your footprint and ask yourself what can you reduce in fuel, energy and water usage. An immediate contributor is eating meat, which is crazy energy intensive.
- reedx8 7y ago
  Veganism has no immediate effect - it takes a couple 1000 other people to do likewise for it to cause a change. It’s like voting - 1 persons vote changes nothing until several others do. If you want to make an immediate, large impact, without having to rely on other people’s actions, start taking public transportation everyday.
geddy 7y ago
If you're really asking, the simplest way for all of us to help is to stop consuming meat, eggs, and dairy, for one.
- core-questions 7y ago
  And then what, wither away into a vegan? I'd honestly rather it get warmer.
  - loopz 7y ago
    Lacto-ovo vegetarism is viable
  - geddy 7y ago
    "Wither away" uhh, that's not how it works. Beans, lentils, grains, bread, nuts, seeds, there are tons of foods that are both filling and caloric. We're in the age of information on a site called HACKER NEWS of all things, and you're still pulling the "I'll die of a protein deficiency!" card?
antisthenes 7y ago
It's interesting, because re-freezing Siberia is exactly what some Russian scientists are attempting. Their logic is that by reintroducing megafauna like elk and moose into more parts of Siberia, these animals will graze during winter to survive, thus exposing more of the soil, which lets the frost permeate down to further depths and slows down the recession of permafrost. Their logic is sound and experiments have demonstrated that grazing animals do help to reintroduce permafrost, but I seriously doubt their operation is scalable (they are something like a 3-5 man team)
- core-questions 7y ago
  Thanks, that's fascinating
agumonkey 7y ago
if you have money and time: - reinsulate your house - if you live in a sunny place, build/buy a solar heated water tank - plant trees - try zero waste lifestyle - fund lithium recycling plants - buy electric companies stock - fund a local veggies club - fund a repair / recycling shop - harass your family and neighbors to use the two above - walk any distance below 5 miles that doesn't require heavy loads (or rain) - stop buying - go to an AWS datacenter and cut some wires at random If you don't have money nor time: - paste this comment to people you don't know on the internet
- perfunctory 7y ago
  > walk any distance below 5 miles that doesn't require heavy loads (or rain) what's wrong with the rain?
  - agumonkey 7y ago
    I was just being understanding, I don't mind walking in a bit of rain but 5 miles under water can often be a problem (catching a cold, soaked clothes etc).
- AnthonyMouse 7y ago
  > go to an AWS datacenter and cut some wires at random You say that as a joke, but I know some of you work in the tech industry. Go into work and make sure your company isn't running twenty physical machines when twenty virtual machines on one physical machine would do. If you're in charge of buying desktops for a corporation, check the power consumption of different models and take it into consideration when making your choice. One watt times a thousand desktops is a thousand watts. If you're writing code that runs on hundreds of machines or more, write more efficient code. And any power you save is also saving your company/customers money, so make the same case to your boss/coworkers.
- core-questions 7y ago
  > reinsulate your house Meh, it's at that threshold point where there'd be some advantage but it would never put me ahead financially to do it >if you live in a sunny place, build/buy a solar heated water tank alas > plant trees there are trees in every place that could hold a tree where I am, but i've done what I can in the yard > try zero waste lifestyle i hate plastic but everything comes wrapped in it. what do? > buy electric companies stock it's a crown corporation, i just pay my taxes > fund a local veggies club seems like the local asian supermarket sources these things as locally as it can already tbqh > fund a repair / recycling shop i like this idea a lot > harass your family and neighbors to use the two above > walk any distance below 5 miles that doesn't require heavy loads (or rain) > stop buying all in on these already > go to an AWS datacenter and cut some wires at random violence usually results in more energy expenditure, centralizing all that compute actually probably saves us a ton of energy compared to running idle machines everywhere

Whatever you _can_ do. Consider your footprint and ask yourself what can you reduce in fuel, energy and water usage. An immediate contributor is eating meat, which is crazy energy intensive.

reedx8 7y ago
Veganism has no immediate effect - it takes a couple 1000 other people to do likewise for it to cause a change. It’s like voting - 1 persons vote changes nothing until several others do. If you want to make an immediate, large impact, without having to rely on other people’s actions, start taking public transportation everyday.

geddy 7y ago

If you're really asking, the simplest way for all of us to help is to stop consuming meat, eggs, and dairy, for one.

core-questions 7y ago
And then what, wither away into a vegan? I'd honestly rather it get warmer.
- loopz 7y ago
  Lacto-ovo vegetarism is viable
- geddy 7y ago
  "Wither away" uhh, that's not how it works. Beans, lentils, grains, bread, nuts, seeds, there are tons of foods that are both filling and caloric. We're in the age of information on a site called HACKER NEWS of all things, and you're still pulling the "I'll die of a protein deficiency!" card?

antisthenes 7y ago

It's interesting, because re-freezing Siberia is exactly what some Russian scientists are attempting. Their logic is that by reintroducing megafauna like elk and moose into more parts of Siberia, these animals will graze during winter to survive, thus exposing more of the soil, which lets the frost permeate down to further depths and slows down the recession of permafrost. Their logic is sound and experiments have demonstrated that grazing animals do help to reintroduce permafrost, but I seriously doubt their operation is scalable (they are something like a 3-5 man team)

core-questions 7y ago
Thanks, that's fascinating

agumonkey 7y ago

if you have money and time: - reinsulate your house - if you live in a sunny place, build/buy a solar heated water tank - plant trees - try zero waste lifestyle - fund lithium recycling plants - buy electric companies stock - fund a local veggies club - fund a repair / recycling shop - harass your family and neighbors to use the two above - walk any distance below 5 miles that doesn't require heavy loads (or rain) - stop buying - go to an AWS datacenter and cut some wires at random If you don't have money nor time: - paste this comment to people you don't know on the internet

perfunctory 7y ago
> walk any distance below 5 miles that doesn't require heavy loads (or rain) what's wrong with the rain?
- agumonkey 7y ago
  I was just being understanding, I don't mind walking in a bit of rain but 5 miles under water can often be a problem (catching a cold, soaked clothes etc).
AnthonyMouse 7y ago
> go to an AWS datacenter and cut some wires at random You say that as a joke, but I know some of you work in the tech industry. Go into work and make sure your company isn't running twenty physical machines when twenty virtual machines on one physical machine would do. If you're in charge of buying desktops for a corporation, check the power consumption of different models and take it into consideration when making your choice. One watt times a thousand desktops is a thousand watts. If you're writing code that runs on hundreds of machines or more, write more efficient code. And any power you save is also saving your company/customers money, so make the same case to your boss/coworkers.
core-questions 7y ago
> reinsulate your house Meh, it's at that threshold point where there'd be some advantage but it would never put me ahead financially to do it >if you live in a sunny place, build/buy a solar heated water tank alas > plant trees there are trees in every place that could hold a tree where I am, but i've done what I can in the yard > try zero waste lifestyle i hate plastic but everything comes wrapped in it. what do? > buy electric companies stock it's a crown corporation, i just pay my taxes > fund a local veggies club seems like the local asian supermarket sources these things as locally as it can already tbqh > fund a repair / recycling shop i like this idea a lot > harass your family and neighbors to use the two above > walk any distance below 5 miles that doesn't require heavy loads (or rain) > stop buying all in on these already > go to an AWS datacenter and cut some wires at random violence usually results in more energy expenditure, centralizing all that compute actually probably saves us a ton of energy compared to running idle machines everywhere