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We crossed edits again. I don't think the presidents prerogative to set the agenda extends to colluding with a supposedly free press to deceive the american pu

by LPTS 18y ago

We crossed edits again. I don't think the presidents prerogative to set the agenda extends to colluding with a supposedly free press to deceive the american public. The way Russert questioned the VP was part of that collusion. (Hey, I noticed you're a neuroscientist. If we're going to be typing back and forth, I'd rather be picking your brain about that then spending one more second of my life thinking about Tim Russert.)

robg 18y ago
Your evidence of "collusion" is your ability to read between the lines of linguistic cues? I'm shocked, shocked!, you're not a journalist with those investigative skills. I wouldn't have engaged you on this topic if I didn't find your comments so distasteful and dirty. I had hoped to find a rational perspective behind that emotion. Clearly, it's all emotion.
- LPTS 18y ago
  My evidence of collusion includes the quotes by Tim and Cheney's press person at the Scooter Libby trial, and these quotes. These are not little linguistic tics, but well documented propaganda techniques. What you find dirty and distasteful is the fact that you are going to inevitably die, and could drop dead any second like Tim did, not my comments. Confronted by the sudden death of someone you liked, and attacks on him, you attack back, as if by refuting the attacks on him you can fight back against the inevitability of death. Because I don't care about the fact I'm dying, I do not let death cloud my judgement of the recently dead. This gives me a freedom to objectively judge them and the impact they have had on the world. Not respecting the taboo on death makes groups that are obsessively afraid of death not like me very much. This is the first time in my life I've been called too emotional and not rational enough. I'll take it as a compliment, I guess. Most people tell me I don't seem like I have emotions. I get vulcan a lot. Never too emotional. So, thanks! It's easier to think some guy you talked to online is an ass (which I am. don't care) then admit you've been fooled by a propagandist for 5 years, especially right after a shocking death. I don't expect to change your mind. I'm sorry for your sense of loss, and hope you'll eventually reconsider in light of what will be revealed about this time over the next few years.
  - robg 18y ago
    So now you're reading my mind? Russert, no matter how much you may personally dislike him, did his job and did it well. The wide-spread reaction to his death show better the role he played in an industry that is far from perfect. As for "this time", the evidence has already been made obvious. The administration gamed the case for war. No journalist was going to prove them wrong then. Russert asked the questions that needed to be asked. If only half of his peers did the same, we may have been in a different world today. Good night.
    - LPTS 18y ago
      I'm reading your words, not your mind. Goodnight. The widespread reaction shows how sick our culture is, not anything about Russert. I liked talking with you because you made me rethink what I thought. I still think I'm right, but you made me think. If we knew each other I'd bet 500 bucks that more information will come out by Jan 1 2010 that indicates Russert was occasionally a propagandist.
  - DanielBMarkham 18y ago
    LPTS -- I haven't had a lot to say to you on this thread. I think you're sadly off in your own world somewhere, but hey, we all have to live somewhere. I just didn't see the point of trying to chase you down over HN. Logic and language games are always fun -- another reason I like politics so much. Part of this comment, however, deserves a reply. I can see where people think you're not very emotional and you would feel complimented by being called emotional. I would ask you to honestly consider that all people are emotional creatures. The more you've heard in your life how logical you are, the more you've probably bought into it. It's a lie. Rule #1: People believe what they want to believe and use their mind and reasoning capability to justify it. Rule #2: This is always easy to see in other people but tough as heck to see in yourself. I post this because HN is full of bright, ambitious people. We're just the type of people to be logical, analytical, cold, etc. The sooner we all realize that introspection is more valuable than argument, the sooner we can work more effectively as a team. You see, good teams are full of these broken mammals called humans, each looking out after the other guy's blind spots. It's not a Vulcan debating society. That's it for the sermon.

by LPTS 18y ago

robg 18y ago

Your evidence of "collusion" is your ability to read between the lines of linguistic cues? I'm shocked, shocked!, you're not a journalist with those investigative skills. I wouldn't have engaged you on this topic if I didn't find your comments so distasteful and dirty. I had hoped to find a rational perspective behind that emotion. Clearly, it's all emotion.

LPTS 18y ago
My evidence of collusion includes the quotes by Tim and Cheney's press person at the Scooter Libby trial, and these quotes. These are not little linguistic tics, but well documented propaganda techniques. What you find dirty and distasteful is the fact that you are going to inevitably die, and could drop dead any second like Tim did, not my comments. Confronted by the sudden death of someone you liked, and attacks on him, you attack back, as if by refuting the attacks on him you can fight back against the inevitability of death. Because I don't care about the fact I'm dying, I do not let death cloud my judgement of the recently dead. This gives me a freedom to objectively judge them and the impact they have had on the world. Not respecting the taboo on death makes groups that are obsessively afraid of death not like me very much. This is the first time in my life I've been called too emotional and not rational enough. I'll take it as a compliment, I guess. Most people tell me I don't seem like I have emotions. I get vulcan a lot. Never too emotional. So, thanks! It's easier to think some guy you talked to online is an ass (which I am. don't care) then admit you've been fooled by a propagandist for 5 years, especially right after a shocking death. I don't expect to change your mind. I'm sorry for your sense of loss, and hope you'll eventually reconsider in light of what will be revealed about this time over the next few years.
- robg 18y ago
  So now you're reading my mind? Russert, no matter how much you may personally dislike him, did his job and did it well. The wide-spread reaction to his death show better the role he played in an industry that is far from perfect. As for "this time", the evidence has already been made obvious. The administration gamed the case for war. No journalist was going to prove them wrong then. Russert asked the questions that needed to be asked. If only half of his peers did the same, we may have been in a different world today. Good night.
  - LPTS 18y ago
    I'm reading your words, not your mind. Goodnight. The widespread reaction shows how sick our culture is, not anything about Russert. I liked talking with you because you made me rethink what I thought. I still think I'm right, but you made me think. If we knew each other I'd bet 500 bucks that more information will come out by Jan 1 2010 that indicates Russert was occasionally a propagandist.
- DanielBMarkham 18y ago
  LPTS -- I haven't had a lot to say to you on this thread. I think you're sadly off in your own world somewhere, but hey, we all have to live somewhere. I just didn't see the point of trying to chase you down over HN. Logic and language games are always fun -- another reason I like politics so much. Part of this comment, however, deserves a reply. I can see where people think you're not very emotional and you would feel complimented by being called emotional. I would ask you to honestly consider that all people are emotional creatures. The more you've heard in your life how logical you are, the more you've probably bought into it. It's a lie. Rule #1: People believe what they want to believe and use their mind and reasoning capability to justify it. Rule #2: This is always easy to see in other people but tough as heck to see in yourself. I post this because HN is full of bright, ambitious people. We're just the type of people to be logical, analytical, cold, etc. The sooner we all realize that introspection is more valuable than argument, the sooner we can work more effectively as a team. You see, good teams are full of these broken mammals called humans, each looking out after the other guy's blind spots. It's not a Vulcan debating society. That's it for the sermon.