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It seems to me that Oracle is doing well in cloud, may not be too long before they beat the number 4 Google.

by pdfbadforunicod 7y ago

garettmd 7y ago
What does this have to do with Oracle Cloud?
- singlow 7y ago
  Many of the features relate to integration between VirtualBox and Oracle Cloud.
eropple 7y ago
I mean, this has little to do with the article, but it's also a bonkers claim. Doing well? Oracle Cloud is a literal punchline and has no argument for its existence, let alone its use, beyond "we're Oracle, now be a dear and lean back so we can get at your delicious throat bits". What would a bunch of extremely legacy technology--and this is a great example, between OS-supported virtualization in Windows and OS X getting good and virtualization solutions having already been just fine on Linux for a long time, VirtualBox hasn't had a meaningful reason to exist for going on five years now--and the worst reputation in the industry do to leapfrog Google Cloud? (If they're even actually "number 4" in the first place.)
- singlow 7y ago
  Not trying to defend the claim itself but it is related: From article: - Implemented support for importing a virtual machine from Oracle Cloud Infrastructure - Extended support for exporting a virtual machine to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, allowing the creation of multiple virtual machines without re-uploading. Also added option to export a VM to the cloud using the more efficient variant "paravirtialized", and to specify free-form tags for cloud images
  - eropple 7y ago
    Fair point. I replaced "nothing" with "little".
  - ti_ranger 7y ago
    > Also added option to export a VM to the cloud using the more efficient variant "paravirtialized" So they don't seem to be very serious about multi-tenancy? (Spectre and Meltdown are more or less considered the nails in the coffin of Xen para-virtualisation for multi-tenant environments).
- pdfbadforunicod 7y ago
  > literal punchline Did you read it on " Microsoft is dead" "(2008)" "hacker" news?
- myalphabet 7y ago
  Punchline? Oracle isn’t the biggest cloud provider but it’s naive to say they are a punchline. Oracle Cloud may not be used much amongst the startups or app/web dev crowd here on HN, but other parts of large enterprises are indeed eating up Oracle Cloud just as they ate up Oracle on-prem apps in past years.
  - eropple 7y ago
    So I spent time in the also-ran cloud space, ejecting from it as soon as I was able. What you characterize as "eating up", the places I've been have understood this to be "receiving desperate discounts to consider". Oracle and IBM are do-nothings. They're competing for a market segment predominantly with Azure (not AWS or Google), doing so really poorly, and have no compelling value prop.
    - myalphabet 7y ago
      From what I see at my consulting clients, the main areas where Oracle competes aren’t with Azure. The Oracle Cloud isn’t about spinning up VMs or web servers (though yes they do have those features), but about running enterprise apps where Oracle is still, much to the disappointment of many, the market leader. Some examples of this would be Oracle Identity Manager (which is absolutely awful but is still actually the only IdM solution really capable of scaling with massive enterprise companies) and of course ERP. Oracle ERP Cloud alone is a several billion dollar revenue source for them and is growing extremely rapidly.
      - ti_ranger 7y ago
        > Some examples of this would be Oracle Identity Manager (which is absolutely awful but is still actually the only IdM solution really capable of scaling with massive enterprise companies) The "massive enterprise company" I work for doesn't use Oracle IdM ... It was used at the previous company I worked for, but it had endless problems and I think it was only bought as part of a very badly-run "buy an expensive 'enterprise content management platform and then not use it properly' initiative". It's main feature seemed to be to import identities from LDAP servers into an Oracle database fronted by a very poorly performing non-compliant LDAP server (or, you could say, selling Oracle Database licenses).
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briffle 7y ago
Your comment doesn't have any relation to the post, but most of the growth in Oracle Cloud for the last few years, was Oracle's commission structure for sales pushed it hard. So many companies were pushed hard to license cloud and then backport the license to regular licenses.

It seems to me that Oracle is doing well in cloud, may not be too long before they beat the number 4 Google.

garettmd 7y ago

What does this have to do with Oracle Cloud?

singlow 7y ago
Many of the features relate to integration between VirtualBox and Oracle Cloud.

eropple 7y ago

I mean, this has little to do with the article, but it's also a bonkers claim. Doing well? Oracle Cloud is a literal punchline and has no argument for its existence, let alone its use, beyond "we're Oracle, now be a dear and lean back so we can get at your delicious throat bits". What would a bunch of extremely legacy technology--and this is a great example, between OS-supported virtualization in Windows and OS X getting good and virtualization solutions having already been just fine on Linux for a long time, VirtualBox hasn't had a meaningful reason to exist for going on five years now--and the worst reputation in the industry do to leapfrog Google Cloud? (If they're even actually "number 4" in the first place.)

singlow 7y ago
Not trying to defend the claim itself but it is related: From article: - Implemented support for importing a virtual machine from Oracle Cloud Infrastructure - Extended support for exporting a virtual machine to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, allowing the creation of multiple virtual machines without re-uploading. Also added option to export a VM to the cloud using the more efficient variant "paravirtialized", and to specify free-form tags for cloud images
- eropple 7y ago
  Fair point. I replaced "nothing" with "little".
- ti_ranger 7y ago
  > Also added option to export a VM to the cloud using the more efficient variant "paravirtialized" So they don't seem to be very serious about multi-tenancy? (Spectre and Meltdown are more or less considered the nails in the coffin of Xen para-virtualisation for multi-tenant environments).
pdfbadforunicod 7y ago
> literal punchline Did you read it on " Microsoft is dead" "(2008)" "hacker" news?
myalphabet 7y ago
Punchline? Oracle isn’t the biggest cloud provider but it’s naive to say they are a punchline. Oracle Cloud may not be used much amongst the startups or app/web dev crowd here on HN, but other parts of large enterprises are indeed eating up Oracle Cloud just as they ate up Oracle on-prem apps in past years.
- eropple 7y ago
  So I spent time in the also-ran cloud space, ejecting from it as soon as I was able. What you characterize as "eating up", the places I've been have understood this to be "receiving desperate discounts to consider". Oracle and IBM are do-nothings. They're competing for a market segment predominantly with Azure (not AWS or Google), doing so really poorly, and have no compelling value prop.
  - myalphabet 7y ago
    From what I see at my consulting clients, the main areas where Oracle competes aren’t with Azure. The Oracle Cloud isn’t about spinning up VMs or web servers (though yes they do have those features), but about running enterprise apps where Oracle is still, much to the disappointment of many, the market leader. Some examples of this would be Oracle Identity Manager (which is absolutely awful but is still actually the only IdM solution really capable of scaling with massive enterprise companies) and of course ERP. Oracle ERP Cloud alone is a several billion dollar revenue source for them and is growing extremely rapidly.
    - ti_ranger 7y ago
      > Some examples of this would be Oracle Identity Manager (which is absolutely awful but is still actually the only IdM solution really capable of scaling with massive enterprise companies) The "massive enterprise company" I work for doesn't use Oracle IdM ... It was used at the previous company I worked for, but it had endless problems and I think it was only bought as part of a very badly-run "buy an expensive 'enterprise content management platform and then not use it properly' initiative". It's main feature seemed to be to import identities from LDAP servers into an Oracle database fronted by a very poorly performing non-compliant LDAP server (or, you could say, selling Oracle Database licenses).
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briffle 7y ago

Your comment doesn't have any relation to the post, but most of the growth in Oracle Cloud for the last few years, was Oracle's commission structure for sales pushed it hard. So many companies were pushed hard to license cloud and then backport the license to regular licenses.