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Look, if you can’t trust the endorsement of the organization that otherwise develops and maintains all of Python’s official packaging tools, who are you suppose

Look, if you can’t trust the endorsement of the organization that otherwise develops and maintains all of Python’s official packaging tools, who are you supposed to trust? Guido and only Guido? > The thing that made it “official” was a short tutorial [1] on packaging.python.org, which is the PyPA’s packaging user guide. Also of note is the Python.org domain used. It makes it sound as if Pipenv was endorsed by the Python core team. PyPA (Python Packaging Authority) is a separate organization — they are responsible for the packaging parts (including pypi.org, setuptools, pip, wheel, virtualenv, etc.) of Python

noname120 7y ago
True. This same tutorial cites pip-tools, hatch, poetry. Does that mean that they “endorse” these tools as well?
- shakna 7y ago
  However, over here [0] I see pipenv, but not those: > Use Pipenv to manage library dependencies when developing Python applications. See Managing Application Dependencies for more details on using pipenv. > Consider other tools such as pip when pipenv does not meet your use case. That recommendation is absolutely unambiguous. [0] https://packaging.python.org/guides/tool-recommendations/ https://packaging.python.org/guides/tool-recommendations/
  - noname120 7y ago
    Right, I stand corrected.
    - domoritz 7y ago
      So if it isn't supposed to be officially endorsed, should someone file an issue at https://github.com/pypa/packaging.python.org/issues https://github.com/pypa/packaging.python.org/issues?
      - shakna 7y ago
        It hasn't been removed, because PyPA disagree [0]. > It's an official project of PyPA still, it's just not being pushed as the "be-all-end-all" option. [0] https://github.com/pypa/packaging.python.org/issues/589 https://github.com/pypa/packaging.python.org/issues/589
- doublement 7y ago
  > This same tutorial cites pip-tools, hatch, poetry. Does that mean that they “endorse” these tools as well? Those tools are relegated to a small section at the end, whereas the main body of the text says "Pipenv is recommended for collaborative projects..." I'd say that counts as a specific endorsement of Pipenv. I guess it's an endorsement by the "Python Packaging Authority" rather than "Python Core" but it's pretty hard for someone at the tutorial-reading level to perceive the difference.
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noname120 7y ago

True. This same tutorial cites pip-tools, hatch, poetry. Does that mean that they “endorse” these tools as well?

shakna 7y ago
However, over here [0] I see pipenv, but not those: > Use Pipenv to manage library dependencies when developing Python applications. See Managing Application Dependencies for more details on using pipenv. > Consider other tools such as pip when pipenv does not meet your use case. That recommendation is absolutely unambiguous. [0] https://packaging.python.org/guides/tool-recommendations/ https://packaging.python.org/guides/tool-recommendations/
- noname120 7y ago
  Right, I stand corrected.
  - domoritz 7y ago
    So if it isn't supposed to be officially endorsed, should someone file an issue at https://github.com/pypa/packaging.python.org/issues https://github.com/pypa/packaging.python.org/issues?
    - shakna 7y ago
      It hasn't been removed, because PyPA disagree [0]. > It's an official project of PyPA still, it's just not being pushed as the "be-all-end-all" option. [0] https://github.com/pypa/packaging.python.org/issues/589 https://github.com/pypa/packaging.python.org/issues/589
doublement 7y ago
> This same tutorial cites pip-tools, hatch, poetry. Does that mean that they “endorse” these tools as well? Those tools are relegated to a small section at the end, whereas the main body of the text says "Pipenv is recommended for collaborative projects..." I'd say that counts as a specific endorsement of Pipenv. I guess it's an endorsement by the "Python Packaging Authority" rather than "Python Core" but it's pretty hard for someone at the tutorial-reading level to perceive the difference.

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