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Given the rampant discrimination against men that exists in the modern tech sector and that even stating "maybe women naturally prefer to do other jobs than tec

Given the rampant discrimination against men that exists in the modern tech sector and that even stating "maybe women naturally prefer to do other jobs than tech" gets you fired, what exactly do you have in mind that would make it even more welcoming?

Cougher 7y ago
Perhaps the ironic, unintended result that you describe is part of the reason for her experience?
elliekelly 7y ago
Are you... insisting that tech is welcoming to women? Hm. I guess it was all in my head.
- manfredo 7y ago
  What it means to be "welcoming" is rather subjective. But there has been widespread adoption of discriminatory policies designed to make women get offers more frequently than men as I have shared in a previous comment [1]. I think this is what was being referred to when the above commenter talked about companies being more welcoming to women. The extent to which discrimination makes tech more welcoming is debatable. It does have the immediate effect of increasing the number of women in tech roles, but it does so at the expense of putting them in an environment where they know that their male co-workers were held to a different standard and vice versa. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21776455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21776455
- thu2111 7y ago
  Yes. Hm. I guess it was all in my head. Probably it is, yeah. Please don't try and pull "I'm a woman so you just have to accept whatever I say about women" here. It doesn't work. I see, every week, clear cases of discrimination against men and in the favour of women. So do millions of other men. If you want us to disregard the evidence of our own eyes and ears you're gonna have to do a lot better than being condescending towards us in public. And it's not just in tech. It's all over society. It never ends. Did you know the current EU Commission is made up of half female commissioners because the woman who runs it demands men not be nominated to half the positions? Did you know the only public justification for why the head of the Commission is because she's a woman? Put bluntly, if you feel disrespected it's because women have been setting things up so they're impossible to respect by default. If you know that women are routinely put in positions merely because of feminist activism, how can you respect them? They didn't get there by being good at their jobs.
  - dang 7y ago
    Now you've crossed into personal attack in a way that will get you banned if you do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: your comment history shows a lot of political and ideological flamewar comments, and we've already had to warn you about not taking HN threads into gender war. If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, so please don't.
dang 7y ago
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. Your comment here broke several of the site guidelines. Would you please review them and stick to the rules when posting here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Cougher 7y ago

Perhaps the ironic, unintended result that you describe is part of the reason for her experience?

elliekelly 7y ago

Are you... insisting that tech is welcoming to women? Hm. I guess it was all in my head.

manfredo 7y ago
What it means to be "welcoming" is rather subjective. But there has been widespread adoption of discriminatory policies designed to make women get offers more frequently than men as I have shared in a previous comment [1]. I think this is what was being referred to when the above commenter talked about companies being more welcoming to women. The extent to which discrimination makes tech more welcoming is debatable. It does have the immediate effect of increasing the number of women in tech roles, but it does so at the expense of putting them in an environment where they know that their male co-workers were held to a different standard and vice versa. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21776455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21776455
thu2111 7y ago
Yes. Hm. I guess it was all in my head. Probably it is, yeah. Please don't try and pull "I'm a woman so you just have to accept whatever I say about women" here. It doesn't work. I see, every week, clear cases of discrimination against men and in the favour of women. So do millions of other men. If you want us to disregard the evidence of our own eyes and ears you're gonna have to do a lot better than being condescending towards us in public. And it's not just in tech. It's all over society. It never ends. Did you know the current EU Commission is made up of half female commissioners because the woman who runs it demands men not be nominated to half the positions? Did you know the only public justification for why the head of the Commission is because she's a woman? Put bluntly, if you feel disrespected it's because women have been setting things up so they're impossible to respect by default. If you know that women are routinely put in positions merely because of feminist activism, how can you respect them? They didn't get there by being good at their jobs.
- dang 7y ago
  Now you've crossed into personal attack in a way that will get you banned if you do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: your comment history shows a lot of political and ideological flamewar comments, and we've already had to warn you about not taking HN threads into gender war. If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, so please don't.

dang 7y ago

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. Your comment here broke several of the site guidelines. Would you please review them and stick to the rules when posting here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html