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What would be the pros to Brexit?

by happymellon 7y ago

s9w 7y ago
not being in the EU
- happymellon 7y ago
  But what would be the pro?
  - nodex-alex 7y ago
    Apart from not being part of the beurocracsy, corruption and propping up a failed experiment alongside Germany and France?
    - happymellon 7y ago
      Ah, okay that makes sense. I hadn't heard of any corruption in the EU, do you have examples?
nicky0 7y ago
Moving to a more positive relationship with Europe.
- happymellon 7y ago
  What do you mean by this? How would Brexit make the relationship positive, because the UK doesn't want the same things as the EU so they won't be in conflict?
  - nicky0 7y ago
    The UK has always been a reluctant partner holding back EU ambitions of ever closer union. The EU will now be much freer to pursue federalism. The UK will now be a friend and partner, but no longer in the dysfunctional relationship. It's like how divorced couples can often have a more positive relationship after the divorce than during the unhappy marriage. Not as close a relationship, but a more healthy one.
smitty1e 7y ago
Stand by for a smashing Anglosphere trade deal.
thu2111 7y ago
Power being more local and closer to the people. This is the fundamental advantage from which all others flow. The EU is a highly centralising project. In many ways it's more centralising than the US federal government is, because the USA has a constitutional balance of powers (in theory) and has a tradition of state's rights. EU ideology recognises neither: there is no limit to the extent to which EU federalists wish to centralise power in Brussels. Some of them have talked about reducing national parliaments to the status of tourist attractions. It's funny - usually the Hacker News set is excited about decentralisation, peer to peer networks, end to end encryption, and all other projects that give people control over their own digital lives. But when the British vote for more control over their lives, outside of the internet context, suddenly it's all obvious stupidity and can't ever be better than being controlled by a foreign power. If you can't see any cons to the EU, you shouldn't be able to see any cons to Google completely controlling the internet. After all, it's rather convenient in many ways to have them do so: all very consistent, one passport for every website etc.
- scarmig 7y ago
  > Some of them have talked about reducing national parliaments to the status of tourist attractions. Cite?

What would be the pros to Brexit?

s9w 7y ago

not being in the EU

happymellon 7y ago
But what would be the pro?
- nodex-alex 7y ago
  Apart from not being part of the beurocracsy, corruption and propping up a failed experiment alongside Germany and France?
  - happymellon 7y ago
    Ah, okay that makes sense. I hadn't heard of any corruption in the EU, do you have examples?

nicky0 7y ago

Moving to a more positive relationship with Europe.

happymellon 7y ago
What do you mean by this? How would Brexit make the relationship positive, because the UK doesn't want the same things as the EU so they won't be in conflict?
- nicky0 7y ago
  The UK has always been a reluctant partner holding back EU ambitions of ever closer union. The EU will now be much freer to pursue federalism. The UK will now be a friend and partner, but no longer in the dysfunctional relationship. It's like how divorced couples can often have a more positive relationship after the divorce than during the unhappy marriage. Not as close a relationship, but a more healthy one.

smitty1e 7y ago

Stand by for a smashing Anglosphere trade deal.

thu2111 7y ago

Power being more local and closer to the people. This is the fundamental advantage from which all others flow. The EU is a highly centralising project. In many ways it's more centralising than the US federal government is, because the USA has a constitutional balance of powers (in theory) and has a tradition of state's rights. EU ideology recognises neither: there is no limit to the extent to which EU federalists wish to centralise power in Brussels. Some of them have talked about reducing national parliaments to the status of tourist attractions. It's funny - usually the Hacker News set is excited about decentralisation, peer to peer networks, end to end encryption, and all other projects that give people control over their own digital lives. But when the British vote for more control over their lives, outside of the internet context, suddenly it's all obvious stupidity and can't ever be better than being controlled by a foreign power. If you can't see any cons to the EU, you shouldn't be able to see any cons to Google completely controlling the internet. After all, it's rather convenient in many ways to have them do so: all very consistent, one passport for every website etc.

scarmig 7y ago
> Some of them have talked about reducing national parliaments to the status of tourist attractions. Cite?