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I understand your position, but have a few issues with it. 1) Why do you need a camera facing outside from your door to deter or help solve burglaries? Burgla

I understand your position, but have a few issues with it. 1) Why do you need a camera facing outside from your door to deter or help solve burglaries? Burglars generally steal things inside houses (assuming we're not talking about porch pirates, which is a separate issue). A ring-style camera pointed at your neighbors constantly isn't needed - put a camera inside your home if you're concerned about burglars. 2) If you start using ring-style cameras en masse to solve crimes, the criminals are just going to adapt to the expectation that there's a front door camera and commit crimes in ways that circumvent that single point (ex. go in the back door or side window, wear a mask, use a fake license plate, etc. I don't really see this solving any underlying problems - it's more of a temporary solution that escalates the surveillance state model to another level via an arms race.

jolmg 7y ago
I'm not in favor or against it, but I think you misunderstood the point of the post you replied to. > Why do you need a camera facing outside from your door to deter or help solve burglaries? Burglars generally steal things inside houses If the police tells you they're looking for a suspect and that if you could help by supplying some of your footage of the outside, I think it's probably not burglars trying to steal from you. They could be any kind of suspect that the police at least have good reason to believe passed through the front of your home. Maybe they committed a crime at a neighbor's home. Maybe they're driving from far away, and the police heard that they might have passed through your street. > If you start using ring-style cameras en masse to solve crimes, the criminals are just going to adapt to the expectation that there's a front door camera and commit crimes in ways that circumvent that single point They'd also need to circumvent the points of maybe a few other homes nearby that cover the whole of the house the criminal is trying to get into.
- mdorazio 7y ago
  Thanks for the response. I think I wasn't clear. The problem here is that if you support this kind of thing for hypothetical "catch the bad guy" situations that don't happen inside your own home where an indoor camera might make sense, we might as well just put a camera on every street corner running 24/7 and be done with it. If you're willing to cede your neighbors' privacy in the name of safety, well, there's a quote for that about liberty. It's important to note that in an actual courtroom or investigation setting, having blurry footage of a person across the street really isn't very helpful unless you're going full-on dragnet and intend to track their every movement over a period of hours. Foiling any investigation involving rings is pretty trivial otherwise - wear a mask and nondescript clothing and the video footage is pretty much useless.

jolmg 7y ago

I'm not in favor or against it, but I think you misunderstood the point of the post you replied to. > Why do you need a camera facing outside from your door to deter or help solve burglaries? Burglars generally steal things inside houses If the police tells you they're looking for a suspect and that if you could help by supplying some of your footage of the outside, I think it's probably not burglars trying to steal from you. They could be any kind of suspect that the police at least have good reason to believe passed through the front of your home. Maybe they committed a crime at a neighbor's home. Maybe they're driving from far away, and the police heard that they might have passed through your street. > If you start using ring-style cameras en masse to solve crimes, the criminals are just going to adapt to the expectation that there's a front door camera and commit crimes in ways that circumvent that single point They'd also need to circumvent the points of maybe a few other homes nearby that cover the whole of the house the criminal is trying to get into.

mdorazio 7y ago
Thanks for the response. I think I wasn't clear. The problem here is that if you support this kind of thing for hypothetical "catch the bad guy" situations that don't happen inside your own home where an indoor camera might make sense, we might as well just put a camera on every street corner running 24/7 and be done with it. If you're willing to cede your neighbors' privacy in the name of safety, well, there's a quote for that about liberty. It's important to note that in an actual courtroom or investigation setting, having blurry footage of a person across the street really isn't very helpful unless you're going full-on dragnet and intend to track their every movement over a period of hours. Foiling any investigation involving rings is pretty trivial otherwise - wear a mask and nondescript clothing and the video footage is pretty much useless.