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> If they aren't interested enough to put up with racism, they shouldn't be here to begin with I did not say "put up with", I said "deal with", which includes

> If they aren't interested enough to put up with racism, they shouldn't be here to begin with I did not say "put up with", I said "deal with", which includes many options other than accepting what you're given. If your workplace discriminates on the basis of race, you could report them for violation of anti-discrimination laws, lobby for stronger laws, leave the workplace for a better one, etc. > It is their own responsibility to do something about it and fix the racist environment that they are in Exactly what I just discussed, maybe in an ideal world such things shouldn't be your responsibility, but the only way to guarantee action is to take it. If someone pushes you into a puddle, you might be right to say that it shouldn't be your responsibility to remove yourself from that situation, as you did not put yourself into it, but I think most would agree that the right course of action is to deal with it yourself anyways. I am not suggesting that the responsibility falls solely on women or minorities to deal with their own problems at all, but I am suggesting that they should take some agency of their own.

foldr 7y ago
>I am not suggesting that the responsibility falls solely on women or minorities to deal with their own problems at all, but I am suggesting that they should take some agency of their own. Great idea! Perhaps following your comment, women and minority groups will start to organize to protest against unfair and illegal treatment.
lawnchair_larry 7y ago
Do you have thoughts on whether or not the current discourse is socializing certain group identities to prematurely internalize a victim mindset? My niece expressed an interest in taking CS, and two of the women present immediately launched into third-hand accounts of how toxic and sexist they have heard that the industry is. It pisses me off a bit that they are convincing an otherwise neutral and open mind that they are both unwelcome and that they’re already a victim in the making. If the goal is truly to get more women in the field, I think the twitter mobs and one-sided viral medium.com posts are doing way more to scare them away than anything else.

foldr 7y ago

>I am not suggesting that the responsibility falls solely on women or minorities to deal with their own problems at all, but I am suggesting that they should take some agency of their own. Great idea! Perhaps following your comment, women and minority groups will start to organize to protest against unfair and illegal treatment.

lawnchair_larry 7y ago

Do you have thoughts on whether or not the current discourse is socializing certain group identities to prematurely internalize a victim mindset? My niece expressed an interest in taking CS, and two of the women present immediately launched into third-hand accounts of how toxic and sexist they have heard that the industry is. It pisses me off a bit that they are convincing an otherwise neutral and open mind that they are both unwelcome and that they’re already a victim in the making. If the goal is truly to get more women in the field, I think the twitter mobs and one-sided viral medium.com posts are doing way more to scare them away than anything else.