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Encryption is a 2nd amendment issue. It's not a private expression, encryption algorithms are armaments that have always been used as such in warfare, and still

by ben509 7y ago

Encryption is a 2nd amendment issue. It's not a private expression, encryption algorithms are armaments that have always been used as such in warfare, and still are. And the Internet means that private citizens are routinely defending their intellectual property, monetary assets and reputation from organized crime and nation-state actors. And we all get roped in to the tedious work of recognizing phishing emails, changing passwords, using 2FA and patching software that makes it possible to do business in the modern economy. When we fail to do so, our systems are then owned and used to make war and attack others. Hence, we are all part of "a well regulated* militia [that is] necessary to the security of a free state." * "well trained" in modern parlance

jliptzin 7y ago
Exactly, yet the second amendment people are silent whenever one of their representatives calls for forced backdoors.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  I am a staunch defender of the second amendment, to the point where I want the NFA repealed. I abhor backdoors in devices with equal vigor; the government has no business in my life on either front.
- TallGuyShort 7y ago
  Republican Party? Mostly, but that's par for the course - they're the same way with family values as well, until Newt Gingrich or Donald Trump want to run for office. Libertarian Party and Constitution Party will be more consistent here.
- CWuestefeld 7y ago
  I also stand with sibling post from big_chungus. I'm a staunch supporter of both self-defense rights and of the ability to protect one's privacy.
- opwieurposiu 7y ago
  Silent or noisy, makes no difference. Agents of the state yield only to force. Words are not an effective strategy. The state itself is a parasite that feeds on the blood of the people. Speaking to an agent of the state is about as useful as asking a mosquito not to bite you.
- LyndsySimon 7y ago
  This is absolutely not my experience. ETA - as evidence, this exact argument on the largest gun forum on the Net: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Senior-officials-considering-end-to-end-encryption-ban/5-2234430/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Senior-officials-conside...
- t-writescode 7y ago
  Oh stop it. The 2A supporters I know are strongly opposed to encryption backdoors, too. I should know, I’m one of them. And I’m plenty loud.
- rayiner 7y ago
  Because the idea of encryption as “arms” is ridiculous. Just because it’s used in warfare doesn’t make it “arms” protected by the Second Amendment. Food and fuel are used in warfare too.
dharmab 7y ago
The government has more power to restrict freedom to bear arms than freedom of speech. Encryption was subject to export regulation when it was treated like a military technology; Bernstein v. United States forced the State Department to loosen regulation by arguing encryption as free speech.
- dandelo53 7y ago
  I hear what you're saying. But the enemy will poison the minds of gen pop with such messages. Divide and conquer is the one true strategy to the game. Drawing these lines proverbially is akin to perforating our social fabric. Lots of small holes, that left untouched, provide the strength to maintain structure. But once enough of those dots are connected by tears, it's usually too late to rebuild without starting from scratch. As citizens, we have the right to argue that BOTH angles apply. Whether one out weighs another is significantly less consequential in the heat of battle. Navigating the seas, making progress towards your goal, that should remain the focus when having discussions that often gets lost. IMHO at least
- bigiain 7y ago
  Your government. Where I'm from, the police are using extra judicial coercion to shut down concerts by threatening venue owners with liquor licensing audits, because they don't like a rap group's song lyrics: https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-13/australian-drill-rappers-onefour-battle-police/11779746 https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-13/australian-drill-r...
  - ubercow13 7y ago
    Funny because the article mentions the coercion of NWA in the US as precedent. >There's a long history of police butting heads with hip hop artists, according to Dr Rebecca Sheehan, who researches the link between social identity and music at Macquarie University. >"The FBI issued a cease and desist order to NWA," she said. "When they refused to stop releasing their music, stop distributing it and refused to stop playing concerts, local metropolitan police around the United States get the idea to start shutting concerts down for them."
- 7y ago
thfuran 7y ago
They have a long history of use in warfare, but so do shoes. I don't really think one is fundamentally more military than the other.

by ben509 7y ago

jliptzin 7y ago

Exactly, yet the second amendment people are silent whenever one of their representatives calls for forced backdoors.

big_chungus 7y ago
I am a staunch defender of the second amendment, to the point where I want the NFA repealed. I abhor backdoors in devices with equal vigor; the government has no business in my life on either front.
TallGuyShort 7y ago
Republican Party? Mostly, but that's par for the course - they're the same way with family values as well, until Newt Gingrich or Donald Trump want to run for office. Libertarian Party and Constitution Party will be more consistent here.
CWuestefeld 7y ago
I also stand with sibling post from big_chungus. I'm a staunch supporter of both self-defense rights and of the ability to protect one's privacy.
opwieurposiu 7y ago
Silent or noisy, makes no difference. Agents of the state yield only to force. Words are not an effective strategy. The state itself is a parasite that feeds on the blood of the people. Speaking to an agent of the state is about as useful as asking a mosquito not to bite you.
LyndsySimon 7y ago
This is absolutely not my experience. ETA - as evidence, this exact argument on the largest gun forum on the Net: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Senior-officials-considering-end-to-end-encryption-ban/5-2234430/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Senior-officials-conside...
t-writescode 7y ago
Oh stop it. The 2A supporters I know are strongly opposed to encryption backdoors, too. I should know, I’m one of them. And I’m plenty loud.
rayiner 7y ago
Because the idea of encryption as “arms” is ridiculous. Just because it’s used in warfare doesn’t make it “arms” protected by the Second Amendment. Food and fuel are used in warfare too.

dharmab 7y ago

The government has more power to restrict freedom to bear arms than freedom of speech. Encryption was subject to export regulation when it was treated like a military technology; Bernstein v. United States forced the State Department to loosen regulation by arguing encryption as free speech.

dandelo53 7y ago
I hear what you're saying. But the enemy will poison the minds of gen pop with such messages. Divide and conquer is the one true strategy to the game. Drawing these lines proverbially is akin to perforating our social fabric. Lots of small holes, that left untouched, provide the strength to maintain structure. But once enough of those dots are connected by tears, it's usually too late to rebuild without starting from scratch. As citizens, we have the right to argue that BOTH angles apply. Whether one out weighs another is significantly less consequential in the heat of battle. Navigating the seas, making progress towards your goal, that should remain the focus when having discussions that often gets lost. IMHO at least
bigiain 7y ago
Your government. Where I'm from, the police are using extra judicial coercion to shut down concerts by threatening venue owners with liquor licensing audits, because they don't like a rap group's song lyrics: https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-13/australian-drill-rappers-onefour-battle-police/11779746 https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-13/australian-drill-r...
- ubercow13 7y ago
  Funny because the article mentions the coercion of NWA in the US as precedent. >There's a long history of police butting heads with hip hop artists, according to Dr Rebecca Sheehan, who researches the link between social identity and music at Macquarie University. >"The FBI issued a cease and desist order to NWA," she said. "When they refused to stop releasing their music, stop distributing it and refused to stop playing concerts, local metropolitan police around the United States get the idea to start shutting concerts down for them."
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thfuran 7y ago

They have a long history of use in warfare, but so do shoes. I don't really think one is fundamentally more military than the other.