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This is a very hyperbolic take. Police do not have access to the cameras, only the server stored footage, which is both optional to share and optional to even

This is a very hyperbolic take. Police do not have access to the cameras, only the server stored footage, which is both optional to share and optional to even participate in.

reaperducer 7y ago
Until all video starts streaming to the server in a software update. For the safety of your children.
- ActorNightly 7y ago
  At which point the company gets massive federal lawsuit violating multiple laws, and gets shut down quick.
  - bradknowles 7y ago
    No, a democracy dies to thunderous applause.
__jal 7y ago
This is a red-herring. Nobody cares about physical access to essentially disposable cameras. The stored footage is the whole game.
- ActorNightly 7y ago
  Yes, and stored footage is completely optional with Ring cameras.
  - __jal 7y ago
    Can you point to a page where Ring says this? I cannot find any indication that these work with anything other than their cloud service.
  - throwaway393955 7y ago
    It's almost impossible to download Ring footage to a local storage medium. They are engineered to force you into their Cloud ecosystem.
heavyset_go 7y ago
> Police do not have access to the cameras, only the server stored footage, which is both optional to share Ring lets police know that potential video evidence exists, and with that knowledge, they can then get a warrant to obtain the potential evidence from Ring if you choose not to share it.
- ActorNightly 7y ago
  Thats why I said both are optional. You can choose to never upload the footage in the first place.
  - heavyset_go 7y ago
    Do the cameras talk to a Ring backend even if you choose not to upload footage? The knowledge that a camera exists near the scene of a crime can be enough information to get a warrant for your privately stored footage. Most people purchase Ring cameras for the cloud integration aspect, anyway.
throwaway393955 7y ago
Ring gives police scripts on how to manipulate/convince people to hand over their data. If they don't hand it over, police can get it anyway. They don't need a warrant -- Amazon will just give them the data upon request, even if the owner has refused. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/police-can-get-your-ring-doorbell-footage-without-a-warrant-report-says/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/police-can-get-y...

This is a very hyperbolic take. Police do not have access to the cameras, only the server stored footage, which is both optional to share and optional to even participate in.

reaperducer 7y ago

Until all video starts streaming to the server in a software update. For the safety of your children.

ActorNightly 7y ago
At which point the company gets massive federal lawsuit violating multiple laws, and gets shut down quick.
- bradknowles 7y ago
  No, a democracy dies to thunderous applause.

__jal 7y ago

This is a red-herring. Nobody cares about physical access to essentially disposable cameras. The stored footage is the whole game.

ActorNightly 7y ago
Yes, and stored footage is completely optional with Ring cameras.
- __jal 7y ago
  Can you point to a page where Ring says this? I cannot find any indication that these work with anything other than their cloud service.
- throwaway393955 7y ago
  It's almost impossible to download Ring footage to a local storage medium. They are engineered to force you into their Cloud ecosystem.

heavyset_go 7y ago

> Police do not have access to the cameras, only the server stored footage, which is both optional to share Ring lets police know that potential video evidence exists, and with that knowledge, they can then get a warrant to obtain the potential evidence from Ring if you choose not to share it.

ActorNightly 7y ago
Thats why I said both are optional. You can choose to never upload the footage in the first place.
- heavyset_go 7y ago
  Do the cameras talk to a Ring backend even if you choose not to upload footage? The knowledge that a camera exists near the scene of a crime can be enough information to get a warrant for your privately stored footage. Most people purchase Ring cameras for the cloud integration aspect, anyway.

throwaway393955 7y ago

Ring gives police scripts on how to manipulate/convince people to hand over their data. If they don't hand it over, police can get it anyway. They don't need a warrant -- Amazon will just give them the data upon request, even if the owner has refused. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/police-can-get-your-ring-doorbell-footage-without-a-warrant-report-says/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/police-can-get-y...