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Neither cameras watching gas stations nor cameras watching your front door are "police cameras". They are privately owned cameras, but feel free to expand on w

Neither cameras watching gas stations nor cameras watching your front door are "police cameras". They are privately owned cameras, but feel free to expand on what makes these cameras different in your opinion.

hannasanarion 7y ago
Police can get footage from Nest cameras, indoor and outdoor, without owner permission by applying directly to Amazon, and users can't opt out of Amazon's "Rekognition" tool that is always on and alerts police when a face on their wanted list is recognized on a camera.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  That tool had better not have a false positive rate that can be measured or Jeff Bezos will have some blood on his hands. The response to a 'wanted' criminal being spotted can easily cause that wanted person to end up dead and if it turns out to be the wrong person afterwards that would be more than just a little bit problematic.
- throwaway_tech 7y ago
  >Police can get footage from Nest cameras, indoor and outdoor, without owner permission by applying directly to Amazon So that brings us full circle to police are able to get footage from your CCTVs without your permission too by applying for a warrant directly to the court.
  - hannasanarion 7y ago
    You have your own CCTV tapes, and you know when they are being seized because the warrant is delivered to you, not the manufacturer of your camera.
  - velp 7y ago
    Applying for a warrant through a legal process is absolutely not the same as requesting data from a tech company (especially because Amazon has incentive to cooperate with police in order to continue to sell these cameras)
    - throwaway_tech 7y ago
      Amazon is going to require a subpoena/warrant to turn over video...I'm not sure why you think their cooperation with police is required in order to continue selling cameras.
      - hannasanarion 7y ago
        Why do you think that their cooperation must be required before they will cooperate? Police are major Amazon customers as well, what's to keep them from handing over data to preserve their good-will?
        throwaway_tech 7y ago
        >Why do you think that their cooperation must be required before they will cooperate? Because they have written Law Enforcement Guidelines that are pretty clear and otherwise as a lawyer I know they don't just turn over customer data and information without a written order (and even then, they may object and fight it in court). Why do you believe they are just turning over consumer data/info/video without any court order (besides, police are customers and Amazon wants to keep customers happy)?
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  - heavyset_go 7y ago
    They aren't going to get a warrant if they don't know your CCTV system exists, whereas Ring provides law enforcement with a map of their surveillance network. You won't know when your Ring footage is seized by law enforcement, but you'd sure know if you were served a warrant.
reaperducer 7y ago
Neither cameras watching gas stations nor cameras watching your front door are "police cameras". Some cities have enough police cameras that they certainly are police cameras watching the gas station. The last time I checked, Chicago PD was bragging at having over 30,000 cameras. And that was a number of years ago.

hannasanarion 7y ago

Police can get footage from Nest cameras, indoor and outdoor, without owner permission by applying directly to Amazon, and users can't opt out of Amazon's "Rekognition" tool that is always on and alerts police when a face on their wanted list is recognized on a camera.

jacquesm 7y ago
That tool had better not have a false positive rate that can be measured or Jeff Bezos will have some blood on his hands. The response to a 'wanted' criminal being spotted can easily cause that wanted person to end up dead and if it turns out to be the wrong person afterwards that would be more than just a little bit problematic.
throwaway_tech 7y ago
>Police can get footage from Nest cameras, indoor and outdoor, without owner permission by applying directly to Amazon So that brings us full circle to police are able to get footage from your CCTVs without your permission too by applying for a warrant directly to the court.
- hannasanarion 7y ago
  You have your own CCTV tapes, and you know when they are being seized because the warrant is delivered to you, not the manufacturer of your camera.
- velp 7y ago
  Applying for a warrant through a legal process is absolutely not the same as requesting data from a tech company (especially because Amazon has incentive to cooperate with police in order to continue to sell these cameras)
  - throwaway_tech 7y ago
    Amazon is going to require a subpoena/warrant to turn over video...I'm not sure why you think their cooperation with police is required in order to continue selling cameras.
    - hannasanarion 7y ago
      Why do you think that their cooperation must be required before they will cooperate? Police are major Amazon customers as well, what's to keep them from handing over data to preserve their good-will?
      - throwaway_tech 7y ago
        >Why do you think that their cooperation must be required before they will cooperate? Because they have written Law Enforcement Guidelines that are pretty clear and otherwise as a lawyer I know they don't just turn over customer data and information without a written order (and even then, they may object and fight it in court). Why do you believe they are just turning over consumer data/info/video without any court order (besides, police are customers and Amazon wants to keep customers happy)?
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- heavyset_go 7y ago
  They aren't going to get a warrant if they don't know your CCTV system exists, whereas Ring provides law enforcement with a map of their surveillance network. You won't know when your Ring footage is seized by law enforcement, but you'd sure know if you were served a warrant.

reaperducer 7y ago

Neither cameras watching gas stations nor cameras watching your front door are "police cameras". Some cities have enough police cameras that they certainly are police cameras watching the gas station. The last time I checked, Chicago PD was bragging at having over 30,000 cameras. And that was a number of years ago.