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I was interested in the ratio for the US, which based on a quick lookup seems to be 1:249 for federal cases... (Numbers taken from here: https://www.pewresearc

I was interested in the ratio for the US, which based on a quick lookup seems to be 1:249 for federal cases... (Numbers taken from here: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-f...) Just wanted to note that it is not a very good way to gauge opressiveness or fairness... In a perfect world, charges would only ever be brought against the guilty, and only the guilty would be found as such by court. In such a World the ratio would be 0:<division by zero error>...

chupasaurus 7y ago
The corruption in judicial circles of Russia works this way: the police had opened the case, the defendant obviously isn't guilty, we state that he's guilty with a penalty of conditional term instead of a real one and free him in a court's room. If we state that he isn't guilty, then it would start the process of quality check in all parties involved in the development of the case which unavoidably ends with penalties or criminal cases upon the policemen, nah we don't need that. I agree on a perfect world scenario, but we in Russia have a big pile of ridiculous court decisions every month.
shkkmo 7y ago
> Just wanted to note that it is not a very good way to gauge oppressiveness or fairness I would point out that the conviction ratio of the US is indicative of massive flaws in the powers that DAs have in most jurisdictions to force time limited plea agreements on defendants who have limited information and are under threat of charges with much higher penalties. This can usually be done without any oversight or approval from judges. > In a perfect world, charges would only ever be brought against the guilty, and only the guilty would be found as such by court. In such a World the ratio would be 0:<division by zero error>... That sounds like a world with complete surveillance, no privacy and a judicial system with absolute power. Doesn't sound like a perfect world to me.

chupasaurus 7y ago

The corruption in judicial circles of Russia works this way: the police had opened the case, the defendant obviously isn't guilty, we state that he's guilty with a penalty of conditional term instead of a real one and free him in a court's room. If we state that he isn't guilty, then it would start the process of quality check in all parties involved in the development of the case which unavoidably ends with penalties or criminal cases upon the policemen, nah we don't need that. I agree on a perfect world scenario, but we in Russia have a big pile of ridiculous court decisions every month.

shkkmo 7y ago

> Just wanted to note that it is not a very good way to gauge oppressiveness or fairness I would point out that the conviction ratio of the US is indicative of massive flaws in the powers that DAs have in most jurisdictions to force time limited plea agreements on defendants who have limited information and are under threat of charges with much higher penalties. This can usually be done without any oversight or approval from judges. > In a perfect world, charges would only ever be brought against the guilty, and only the guilty would be found as such by court. In such a World the ratio would be 0:<division by zero error>... That sounds like a world with complete surveillance, no privacy and a judicial system with absolute power. Doesn't sound like a perfect world to me.