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A suit costs way more money than t shirt and jeans. And people will know if you only have one suit, and people can eyeball if you have a bad suit — it’s like an

A suit costs way more money than t shirt and jeans. And people will know if you only have one suit, and people can eyeball if you have a bad suit — it’s like an advertisement for how low class you are, and it is in fact embarrassing and reflects on your credibility for those who don’t know you. That’s not something you control. The casual look is as low a hurdle as you can make it. Complaining that you don’t walk in like it’s Goldman Sachs is a bit silly. What a deprivation.

alfalfasprout 7y ago
Honestly go to any large unicorn or many FANGs and those T-Shirt and jeans are often a $200 "hypebeast" style shirt, $200 raw denim jeans, and $400 sneakers. I mean, I'm guilty of owning more than one of those items but I think it's dumb to claim that wearing t-shirt and jeans is much better in this regard.
- thatfrenchguy 7y ago
  Well if you go with a $10 shirt people won't care though.
- traderjane 7y ago
  > I hate the anti-suit thing in SV. Suits look great, you feel great wearing a good tailored suit... Tailored suit? Seriously? Does that not smell like luxury? Why is that part of the discussion for workplace uniform? A college student wearing a hoodie given for free by TripleByte doesn't look bad at the world's largest software firm. If you wear a t-shirt I cannot tell if you graduated from Stanford. But if you're a young man aiming for the Big 5 accounting world, your friends would advise you to own a battle wardrobe. Wearing a bad suit is embarrassing, and people at the upper echelons of the company almost always have better suits. It is a smell of class.
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  - klodolph 7y ago
    > Tailored suit? Seriously? Does that not smell like luxury? Why is that part of the discussion for workplace uniform? You can get a suit off the rack for $200 and have it tailored at the time of purchase for maybe $20. Your mileage may vary, but that doesn’t smell like luxury at all to me. It sounds like a reasonable thing to own for people in office jobs. It is de rigueur in many parts of the world, including certain software engineering jobs in the US. The suit will last longer than your $500 phone, too. > Wearing a bad suit is embarrassing, and people at the upper echelons of the company almost always have better suits. It is a smell of class. It doesn’t take much effort or cash to escape from “bad suit” category. I don’t begrudge people wearing better suits, it’s just one of a million ways people use to suss out money or class. Wearing a suit doesn’t make you more of a participant in class warfare than you already are. Some people also use the suit to escape racial profiling. A white dude can get away with wearing a hoodie and jeans to work, but even though it’s acceptable at work, darker-skinned folk can run into problems with the hoodie-and-jeans outfit on their way to and from the office. Now, you can lay blame for those problems how you like, but think of the suit and tie as: // FIXME: Temporary, remove suit when problems // with racial profiling are addressed.
    - traderjane 7y ago
      Wearing a suit is armor for race specifically because of its association with money. Race is dangerous as opposed to merely inconvenient for some because of the association with poverty, desperation, and crime. I still remember the term super-predator when it was the hot political term. Thus any symbol of class will always be a suit of armor for race in the way you describe, including Apple hardware. But the reason why Apple hardware is as much the same armor is because of thoughts around race and its connections to poverty, desperation, and crime. You can wear Apple watch in and out of the office. But why shouldn't t-shirt be the status quo culture of the office? Because those who are judged by race need extra symbols of wealth to wear so they don't end up wronged? So let us band together and create sufficient distinctions of class so that those who make it out can show how they've made it out? How else do we know the Trayvon Martin from the thug?
      - klodolph 7y ago
  - mcguire 7y ago
    1. We're talking about interviews, not daily wear. 2. Right. Luxury bad. Class bad. But what you are wearing has no bearing on your skills. Even if you are wearing a suit.
kjhrewopi 7y ago
Funny you would mention Goldman Sachs. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/suits-and-ties-now-optional-goldman-sachs-says-its-relaxing-its-dress-code.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/suits-and-ties-now-optional-... Also, you have too much faith in programmers being able to eyeball the quality of a suit.

alfalfasprout 7y ago

Honestly go to any large unicorn or many FANGs and those T-Shirt and jeans are often a $200 "hypebeast" style shirt, $200 raw denim jeans, and $400 sneakers. I mean, I'm guilty of owning more than one of those items but I think it's dumb to claim that wearing t-shirt and jeans is much better in this regard.

thatfrenchguy 7y ago
Well if you go with a $10 shirt people won't care though.
traderjane 7y ago
> I hate the anti-suit thing in SV. Suits look great, you feel great wearing a good tailored suit... Tailored suit? Seriously? Does that not smell like luxury? Why is that part of the discussion for workplace uniform? A college student wearing a hoodie given for free by TripleByte doesn't look bad at the world's largest software firm. If you wear a t-shirt I cannot tell if you graduated from Stanford. But if you're a young man aiming for the Big 5 accounting world, your friends would advise you to own a battle wardrobe. Wearing a bad suit is embarrassing, and people at the upper echelons of the company almost always have better suits. It is a smell of class.
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- klodolph 7y ago
  > Tailored suit? Seriously? Does that not smell like luxury? Why is that part of the discussion for workplace uniform? You can get a suit off the rack for $200 and have it tailored at the time of purchase for maybe $20. Your mileage may vary, but that doesn’t smell like luxury at all to me. It sounds like a reasonable thing to own for people in office jobs. It is de rigueur in many parts of the world, including certain software engineering jobs in the US. The suit will last longer than your $500 phone, too. > Wearing a bad suit is embarrassing, and people at the upper echelons of the company almost always have better suits. It is a smell of class. It doesn’t take much effort or cash to escape from “bad suit” category. I don’t begrudge people wearing better suits, it’s just one of a million ways people use to suss out money or class. Wearing a suit doesn’t make you more of a participant in class warfare than you already are. Some people also use the suit to escape racial profiling. A white dude can get away with wearing a hoodie and jeans to work, but even though it’s acceptable at work, darker-skinned folk can run into problems with the hoodie-and-jeans outfit on their way to and from the office. Now, you can lay blame for those problems how you like, but think of the suit and tie as: // FIXME: Temporary, remove suit when problems // with racial profiling are addressed.
  - traderjane 7y ago
    Wearing a suit is armor for race specifically because of its association with money. Race is dangerous as opposed to merely inconvenient for some because of the association with poverty, desperation, and crime. I still remember the term super-predator when it was the hot political term. Thus any symbol of class will always be a suit of armor for race in the way you describe, including Apple hardware. But the reason why Apple hardware is as much the same armor is because of thoughts around race and its connections to poverty, desperation, and crime. You can wear Apple watch in and out of the office. But why shouldn't t-shirt be the status quo culture of the office? Because those who are judged by race need extra symbols of wealth to wear so they don't end up wronged? So let us band together and create sufficient distinctions of class so that those who make it out can show how they've made it out? How else do we know the Trayvon Martin from the thug?
    - klodolph 7y ago
- mcguire 7y ago
  1. We're talking about interviews, not daily wear. 2. Right. Luxury bad. Class bad. But what you are wearing has no bearing on your skills. Even if you are wearing a suit.

kjhrewopi 7y ago

Funny you would mention Goldman Sachs. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/suits-and-ties-now-optional-goldman-sachs-says-its-relaxing-its-dress-code.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/suits-and-ties-now-optional-... Also, you have too much faith in programmers being able to eyeball the quality of a suit.