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So secret courts free from alternative adversarial opinions are abused? Shocking!
by j_m_b 7y ago
So secret courts free from alternative adversarial opinions are abused? Shocking!
- bilbo0s 7y agoIf you're a believer in rights you shouldn't even play their game. There shouldn't even be secret courts. Debating their integrity almost glosses over the real, more fundamental, problem. Secret courts themselves, their very existence, are abuses. That's just my opinion, but I really do think you start down a dark path when you create this type of judicial organ.
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- Mirioron 7y agoWhen I learned about history in school I learned about how bad the past was, how there were so many abuses of power. One thing that stood out to me was that what enabled many of these abuses of power was the ability for the rulers to keep things secret. I naively thought that in our day and age we, or at least the West, had done away with secret courts. The time around Snowden was quite shocking to me. I fully agree that secret courts are a bad idea and that a free society has no place for them.
- spaginal 7y agoNot only that, a secret court setup specifically for foreign surveillance was used to spy domestically. It’s why you don’t give governments secret toys and extra judicial powers, the people that run it are worst than toddlers, and more abusive and dishonest.
- Craighead 7y agoDomestically on someone in tuned with foreign intelligence.
- noelsusman 7y agoThe court was set up to spy on foreigners and Americans. To get a FISA warrant on a US citizen you have to show probable cause that the person is an agent of a foreign government engaging in intelligence activities.
- marcusverus 7y agoIn practice the bar is so incredibly low. Carter Page was wiretapped based on nothing but the word of a foreign intelligence agent. Page had previously aided the US government in an investigation of a Russian asset. There was no other corroborating evidence. Suggesting that Page was committing or contemplating the commission of a crime. When hearsay from foreigners is sufficient 'probable cause' for a FISA warrant, there is no barrier to obtaining one. I read in a recent article that, out of more than a thousand FISA applications, ONE was rejected. FISA courts are a rubber stamp for wonton state surveillance.
- spaginal 7y agoLove or hate Trump, doesn’t matter. Americans have been able to peek behind the curtain if you will, and see how these secret courts are operating, and it doesn’t inspire an incredible amount of confidence. Seeing as they knew what buttons to push and strings to pull to obtain these warrants, one has to wonder how many other times this script has been played.
- Consultant32452 7y agoDon't worry, I'm sure Biden will publicly be held to account for this during the next Democratic debate, and then Trump in the later Presidential debates.. Just kidding, this is going to disappear from public discourse just like the recent revelations that the government consistently lied to us about the Afghanistan war.