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Thanks, that turns this from a very serious concern to a much smaller one. I thought it was a Tesla that somehow completely failed to see a pedestrian and then

Thanks, that turns this from a very serious concern to a much smaller one. I thought it was a Tesla that somehow completely failed to see a pedestrian and then to stop when it made contact, which would have terrible implications for the rest of the fleet.

mapcars 7y ago
>that turns this from a very serious concern to a much smaller one. Not really, this means there is a whole bunch of cars like this already in the wild and people being unaware of this.
- londons_explore 7y ago
  I don't really see any way the remote start could have triggered the car moving... Unless perhaps the car was in gear? I would guess this car has had some kind of aftermarket fiddling...
  - celticmusic 7y ago
    It has to be more than that unless you're willing to hold the bystanders who tried to help criminally responsible. They pushed the car away from the kid, did they just let it roll back up on him? I doubt it, it's more likely the vehicle was in gear.
- on_and_off 7y ago
  I think that gp is being ironic since the event they described actually happened.
- moccachino 7y ago
  That is true, but if it's a 2002 model and this first happened now, I perceived it to be a low-probability event. I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of this bug, I'm just saying it doesn't have as catastrophic implications as it would if this happened in a state-of-the-art Tesla.
rolltiide 7y ago
No, but understandable since we masquerade 3 Tesla fails per year as international news while ignoring the 101 gruesome highway deaths daily
- bdcravens 7y ago
  as a ratio, the number of non-Tesla’s on the road is far greater than 34:1, so Tesla’s are responsible for a disproportionate share
  - rolltiide 7y ago
    just let them roll them out and if there is a real problem do a recall, just like every other car manufacturer
    - bdcravens 7y ago
      I'm unaware that anything to the contrary is happening. There's just the added public opinion and media backlash, which is always fair. Tesla doesn't get a free pass.
  - bzbarsky 7y ago
    Just to be clear, the numbers in the parent comments were "3 per year" and "101 per day", so the ratio there is 12288:1. There are approximately 250e6 registered vehicles in the US, so if all the Tesla-related fatalities are those "3 per year" (which seems unlikely to me; it assumes that there are no Teslas involved in fatal accidents when the automatic driving stuff is not engaged) to be disproportionate there would have to be only ~21000 Teslas on the roads. There are close to an order of magnitude more than that at this point.
    - bdcravens 7y ago
      Good catch. This site seems to be an interesting aggregation of Tesla deaths: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ It claims 29 deaths in the US from Teslas in 2019; 3 are from accidents where auto pilot use was claimed.

mapcars 7y ago

>that turns this from a very serious concern to a much smaller one. Not really, this means there is a whole bunch of cars like this already in the wild and people being unaware of this.

londons_explore 7y ago
I don't really see any way the remote start could have triggered the car moving... Unless perhaps the car was in gear? I would guess this car has had some kind of aftermarket fiddling...
- celticmusic 7y ago
  It has to be more than that unless you're willing to hold the bystanders who tried to help criminally responsible. They pushed the car away from the kid, did they just let it roll back up on him? I doubt it, it's more likely the vehicle was in gear.
on_and_off 7y ago
I think that gp is being ironic since the event they described actually happened.
moccachino 7y ago
That is true, but if it's a 2002 model and this first happened now, I perceived it to be a low-probability event. I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of this bug, I'm just saying it doesn't have as catastrophic implications as it would if this happened in a state-of-the-art Tesla.

rolltiide 7y ago

No, but understandable since we masquerade 3 Tesla fails per year as international news while ignoring the 101 gruesome highway deaths daily

bdcravens 7y ago
as a ratio, the number of non-Tesla’s on the road is far greater than 34:1, so Tesla’s are responsible for a disproportionate share
- rolltiide 7y ago
  just let them roll them out and if there is a real problem do a recall, just like every other car manufacturer
  - bdcravens 7y ago
    I'm unaware that anything to the contrary is happening. There's just the added public opinion and media backlash, which is always fair. Tesla doesn't get a free pass.
- bzbarsky 7y ago
  Just to be clear, the numbers in the parent comments were "3 per year" and "101 per day", so the ratio there is 12288:1. There are approximately 250e6 registered vehicles in the US, so if all the Tesla-related fatalities are those "3 per year" (which seems unlikely to me; it assumes that there are no Teslas involved in fatal accidents when the automatic driving stuff is not engaged) to be disproportionate there would have to be only ~21000 Teslas on the roads. There are close to an order of magnitude more than that at this point.
  - bdcravens 7y ago
    Good catch. This site seems to be an interesting aggregation of Tesla deaths: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ It claims 29 deaths in the US from Teslas in 2019; 3 are from accidents where auto pilot use was claimed.