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We need to create lots of jobs in other industries that allow living wages without a college degree. The government should massively incentivize: - solar farm

We need to create lots of jobs in other industries that allow living wages without a college degree. The government should massively incentivize: - solar farms - wind turbines - battery storage deployments - residential solar w/ batteries and grid-down operation (most grid-tied virtual battery solar stops working completely in a power outage) - achieve fusion power net output - elderly and disabled caregivers - offer an option to teach and mentor people the fundamentals of running a successful small business (expanding SBA/SCORE) - give people a chance to showcase, see and try out different industries - setup a factory incubator to allow bootstrapping and designing efficient, streamlined operations for quality products made in the US at globally-competitive prices. Investing in people and infrastructure brings lots of indirect returns. Do everything possible to help people to succeed and have a future.

thecleaner 7y ago
Yeah but what about oil companies ? You know, the people who care the most about humanity.
bagacrap 7y ago
These don't sound like drop in replacements for truck driving. A truck driver might not be able-bodied enough to install solar panels, might not be willing to take the pay cut or move to a new state where the job is.
- triceratops 7y ago
  > might not be willing to take the pay cut A paying job is better than no job. And there is such a thing as minimum wage. And no reason to assume it'll necessarily be a pay cut. EDIT: And according to another comment further down this thread, trucker jobs don't even pay all that well. > move to a new state where the job is. Because that's worse than being away from home/family for long periods of time? I don't understand this logic.
- WallStUrinal 7y ago
  $1,000/mo isn't a drop in replacement for trucking either, is it?
einpoklum 7y ago
"need to create lots of jobs etc." Why? Is there something you're missing that requires a lot more workers? The assumption that people need to be fit into "jobs" is, well, a salaried employment fetish; or the moral assumption that if you don't work a job you don't deserve goods and services. Now, it's true that there actually is a whole lot of work in setting up and distributing alternative energy devices and infrasturcture. But overall, a lot of human labor is becoming redundant with automation, and there aren't "more jobs than people". Getting people to artificially create businesses as an alternative to salaried employment is also no solution. PS - "At globally-competitive prices" = "Make workers compete with sweatshop pseudo-slave-labor in other countries, thus ensuring their own poverty and overwork."

thecleaner 7y ago

Yeah but what about oil companies ? You know, the people who care the most about humanity.

bagacrap 7y ago

These don't sound like drop in replacements for truck driving. A truck driver might not be able-bodied enough to install solar panels, might not be willing to take the pay cut or move to a new state where the job is.

triceratops 7y ago
> might not be willing to take the pay cut A paying job is better than no job. And there is such a thing as minimum wage. And no reason to assume it'll necessarily be a pay cut. EDIT: And according to another comment further down this thread, trucker jobs don't even pay all that well. > move to a new state where the job is. Because that's worse than being away from home/family for long periods of time? I don't understand this logic.
WallStUrinal 7y ago
$1,000/mo isn't a drop in replacement for trucking either, is it?

einpoklum 7y ago

"need to create lots of jobs etc." Why? Is there something you're missing that requires a lot more workers? The assumption that people need to be fit into "jobs" is, well, a salaried employment fetish; or the moral assumption that if you don't work a job you don't deserve goods and services. Now, it's true that there actually is a whole lot of work in setting up and distributing alternative energy devices and infrasturcture. But overall, a lot of human labor is becoming redundant with automation, and there aren't "more jobs than people". Getting people to artificially create businesses as an alternative to salaried employment is also no solution. PS - "At globally-competitive prices" = "Make workers compete with sweatshop pseudo-slave-labor in other countries, thus ensuring their own poverty and overwork."