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As stated I'm only trying to get a comparison of the cost for the very popular use-case of running a "Website 24/7 for 12 months". I use this simple basic core

by mythz 7y ago

As stated I'm only trying to get a comparison of the cost for the very popular use-case of running a "Website 24/7 for 12 months". I use this simple basic core metric as a baseline for comparing hosting costs amongst different hosting providers. This is trivial to work out in AWS, I just go to their Reversed Pricing Page [2], look for the total cost for an m5.large (2x VCPU/8GB RAM) instance for 12 months which is $501 (12 x 41.75). I'd like to be able to do the same for GCP, I see the committed usage page [2] but I don't see any easy way to work out the cost for 12 months / 24/7, it mentions things like "discount is up to 57% for most resources like machine types or GPUs", what does "up to" mean? Is that the discount for running 24/7? So is the E2-Std-2 monthly price of a $48.92 * (1 - .57) = $21.04? All I see back in GCP's compute pricing page related to "committed usage" is "1 year commitment price" of "$10.03 / vCPU month" but this says it's for "E2 custom vCPUs and memory", does this apply to E2-Std-2 instances? So is the cost for 2x VCPU = $10.03 x 2 + 8GB = 8x $1.34 = 10.72 for the total monthly cost of $30.78? If it's not how am I supposed to workout what E2-Std-2 cost of 12 months / 24/7 is? It's frustrating that there's no clear/easy way to determine the pricing of a simple and popular hosting scenario like this. [1] https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/pricin... [2] https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/instances/signing-up-committed-use-discounts https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/instances/signing-up-c...

boulos 7y ago
I agree that our tables are inconsistent for E2 (I sent an email about this internally, we'll try to get it fixed). tl;dr: You did calculate it right. $10.3/vCPU/month x 2 vCPU + $1.34/GB/month x 8 GB for a 1-year commitment aka $30.78/month (and $22/month for a 3-year commitment). All of the predefined shapes are just "how many vCPUs times $/vCPU + how many GBs times $/GB". Ignoring the lack of columns for commitment pricing in the predefined shapes tables (which some instance types have and some don't... grr), I want to explain the reasoning. One thing that's different for GCP vs AWS is that we actually don't have a SKU for e2-standard-2 or e2-standard-16. We instead do "Resource Based Pricing" [1], and there's only "E2 Instance Core" and "E2 Instance Ram" or whatever. So if you have 100 e2-standard-2s and 100 e2-standard-16s running for a month, your bill will have two line items: - 1800 vCPUs times 2.6M seconds of Predefined E2 vCPU - 7200 GB times 2.6M seconds of Predefined E2 GB Memory The price for E2 is apparently the same ($10.03/vCPU/month) for both Custom vCPUs as well as Predefined vCPUs [2] (meaning the price for your vCPUs is the same whether you make a custom E2 with 8 vCPUs and 29 GB of memory, or use an e2-standard-8 which has the same 8 vCPUs and 32 GB). Memory is the same (your $1.34/GB/month for a 1-year commitment). Hope that makes sense. We'll try to improve the docs. Sorry. [1] https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/announcing-resource-based-pricing-for-google-compute-engine https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/announcing-resour... [2] https://cloud.google.com/compute/all-pricing#e2_machine-types https://cloud.google.com/compute/all-pricing#e2_machine-type...
- cobookman 7y ago
  However n1 and other instance classes have different sku pricing for custom vs predefined pricing. E.g. n1 predefined machine bills $0.031611 / vCPU hour. Whereas a custom sized n1 machine is $0.033174 / vCPU hour
nl 7y ago
You can just go to their calculator (which I find much better than the AWS one). Here it is with the 1 year committed use: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=79186cdb-1828-410c-93f2-271386db67dd https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=79186cdb-18... ($30.82/month) 3 year committed use: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=afd446fc-7485-4518-8b6b-ae363b204da3 https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=afd446fc-74... ($22.01/month) And here without: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=3ff5d861-7557-4d20-885c-03610d3eb0f0 https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=3ff5d861-75... ($48.92/month)
- cobookman 7y ago
  Have you tried the new Aws pricing calculator: https://calculator.aws/ https://calculator.aws/
mrb 7y ago
«This is trivial to work out in AWS,» Is it, really? Last time I checked, AWS charges separately for network traffic, so unless you know exactly how much traffic you will serve over the next 12 months, you can't know how much it will cost. That's one of the reason I like simple VPS providers as the first 1-2 TB/month (typically) is free/included in the base instance price.
- tyingq 7y ago
  I assume the context was "as compared to Azure and GCP, which also charge for egress".
m0zg 7y ago
This is also trivial to work out on GCP: their cost quote when creating a VM shows the discount, as well as the breakdown of what you're paying for. I'm not sure how much more trivial this could be. That's actually a great thing about GCP - their pricing and resource usage is front and center in the UX, you don't have to chase it down.
- mythz 7y ago
  I'm trying to compare hosting costs across hosting providers, not at the creating VM's stage. I expected to be able to work out determine costs from their pricing page, which wasn't clear. But I've since been referred to GCP's pricing calculator which does make it easy, where 1x e2-standard-2 always running instance with a 12 month commitment will cost $30.82 /month ($369.84 total) [1]. [1] https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=905f5722-5ffa-4ce0-a400-1ce8f5a925b7 https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=905f5722-5f...
013a 7y ago
> This is trivial to work out in AWS, I just go to their Reversed Pricing Page [2], look for the total cost for an m5.large (2x VCPU/8GB RAM) instance for 12 months which is $501 (12 x 41.75). Well, nowadays, you don't buy reserved instances; you buy compute savings plans. And be sure to compare the strengths and limitations of an EC2 Savings Plan versus a general Compute Savings Plan; they have differing characteristics concerning instance type convertibility, regional transfers, and applicable products. And with Compute Savings plans, its not like an RI where you say "I'm paying for one instance upfront, give me 30% off". You instead commit to a level of spend, in Dollars per Hour. Then they convert that spend into fungible credits that have differing exchange rates depending on the instance type, region, and even compute product. Then, through the magic of the AWS Billing System, you save money. Very rarely do you come out the other end of AWS Compute consumption with a good understanding of the exact trace of "dollar spent to which compute product?" With products like Fargate, its even worse. Don't get me started on Fargate and its billing characteristics. I'm nitpicking here. But only because: Nothing is ever as simple as it seems. GCP is just different; I wouldn't classify it as more or less complex.
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- PetahNZ 7y ago
  Isn't savings plans brand new? And can't you still just buy typical reserved instances?
  - 013a 7y ago
    Yes, and Yes. Though, as far as I know, there is no financial reason to buy RIs at this point. Check out this comparison table [1]; you get the same savings, but far more flexibility. AWS very rarely removes features. People may still buy RIs because they have corporate or technical processes in place where they make sense. But, from a pure financial standpoint, RIs are inferior to Savings Plans. [1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/savingsplans/latest/userguide/what-is-savings-plans.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/savingsplans/latest/userguide/wh...
nine_k 7y ago
"Running a website 24/7" would fit something like a $10/mo instance on DO or Linode. Unless you specify what kind of site you run, and what traffic do you face, the use case is nebulous.
- cobookman 7y ago
  OP didn’t mention scale. Not all websites can be run on a single VM/node. Many can though

by mythz 7y ago

boulos 7y ago

I agree that our tables are inconsistent for E2 (I sent an email about this internally, we'll try to get it fixed). tl;dr: You did calculate it right. $10.3/vCPU/month x 2 vCPU + $1.34/GB/month x 8 GB for a 1-year commitment aka $30.78/month (and $22/month for a 3-year commitment). All of the predefined shapes are just "how many vCPUs times $/vCPU + how many GBs times $/GB". Ignoring the lack of columns for commitment pricing in the predefined shapes tables (which some instance types have and some don't... grr), I want to explain the reasoning. One thing that's different for GCP vs AWS is that we actually don't have a SKU for e2-standard-2 or e2-standard-16. We instead do "Resource Based Pricing" [1], and there's only "E2 Instance Core" and "E2 Instance Ram" or whatever. So if you have 100 e2-standard-2s and 100 e2-standard-16s running for a month, your bill will have two line items: - 1800 vCPUs times 2.6M seconds of Predefined E2 vCPU - 7200 GB times 2.6M seconds of Predefined E2 GB Memory The price for E2 is apparently the same ($10.03/vCPU/month) for both Custom vCPUs as well as Predefined vCPUs [2] (meaning the price for your vCPUs is the same whether you make a custom E2 with 8 vCPUs and 29 GB of memory, or use an e2-standard-8 which has the same 8 vCPUs and 32 GB). Memory is the same (your $1.34/GB/month for a 1-year commitment). Hope that makes sense. We'll try to improve the docs. Sorry. [1] https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/announcing-resource-based-pricing-for-google-compute-engine https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/gcp/announcing-resour... [2] https://cloud.google.com/compute/all-pricing#e2_machine-types https://cloud.google.com/compute/all-pricing#e2_machine-type...

cobookman 7y ago
However n1 and other instance classes have different sku pricing for custom vs predefined pricing. E.g. n1 predefined machine bills $0.031611 / vCPU hour. Whereas a custom sized n1 machine is $0.033174 / vCPU hour

nl 7y ago

You can just go to their calculator (which I find much better than the AWS one). Here it is with the 1 year committed use: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=79186cdb-1828-410c-93f2-271386db67dd https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=79186cdb-18... ($30.82/month) 3 year committed use: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=afd446fc-7485-4518-8b6b-ae363b204da3 https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=afd446fc-74... ($22.01/month) And here without: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=3ff5d861-7557-4d20-885c-03610d3eb0f0 https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=3ff5d861-75... ($48.92/month)

cobookman 7y ago
Have you tried the new Aws pricing calculator: https://calculator.aws/ https://calculator.aws/

mrb 7y ago

«This is trivial to work out in AWS,» Is it, really? Last time I checked, AWS charges separately for network traffic, so unless you know exactly how much traffic you will serve over the next 12 months, you can't know how much it will cost. That's one of the reason I like simple VPS providers as the first 1-2 TB/month (typically) is free/included in the base instance price.

tyingq 7y ago
I assume the context was "as compared to Azure and GCP, which also charge for egress".

m0zg 7y ago

This is also trivial to work out on GCP: their cost quote when creating a VM shows the discount, as well as the breakdown of what you're paying for. I'm not sure how much more trivial this could be. That's actually a great thing about GCP - their pricing and resource usage is front and center in the UX, you don't have to chase it down.

mythz 7y ago
I'm trying to compare hosting costs across hosting providers, not at the creating VM's stage. I expected to be able to work out determine costs from their pricing page, which wasn't clear. But I've since been referred to GCP's pricing calculator which does make it easy, where 1x e2-standard-2 always running instance with a 12 month commitment will cost $30.82 /month ($369.84 total) [1]. [1] https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=905f5722-5ffa-4ce0-a400-1ce8f5a925b7 https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/#id=905f5722-5f...

013a 7y ago

> This is trivial to work out in AWS, I just go to their Reversed Pricing Page [2], look for the total cost for an m5.large (2x VCPU/8GB RAM) instance for 12 months which is $501 (12 x 41.75). Well, nowadays, you don't buy reserved instances; you buy compute savings plans. And be sure to compare the strengths and limitations of an EC2 Savings Plan versus a general Compute Savings Plan; they have differing characteristics concerning instance type convertibility, regional transfers, and applicable products. And with Compute Savings plans, its not like an RI where you say "I'm paying for one instance upfront, give me 30% off". You instead commit to a level of spend, in Dollars per Hour. Then they convert that spend into fungible credits that have differing exchange rates depending on the instance type, region, and even compute product. Then, through the magic of the AWS Billing System, you save money. Very rarely do you come out the other end of AWS Compute consumption with a good understanding of the exact trace of "dollar spent to which compute product?" With products like Fargate, its even worse. Don't get me started on Fargate and its billing characteristics. I'm nitpicking here. But only because: Nothing is ever as simple as it seems. GCP is just different; I wouldn't classify it as more or less complex.

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PetahNZ 7y ago
Isn't savings plans brand new? And can't you still just buy typical reserved instances?
- 013a 7y ago
  Yes, and Yes. Though, as far as I know, there is no financial reason to buy RIs at this point. Check out this comparison table [1]; you get the same savings, but far more flexibility. AWS very rarely removes features. People may still buy RIs because they have corporate or technical processes in place where they make sense. But, from a pure financial standpoint, RIs are inferior to Savings Plans. [1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/savingsplans/latest/userguide/what-is-savings-plans.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/savingsplans/latest/userguide/wh...

nine_k 7y ago

"Running a website 24/7" would fit something like a $10/mo instance on DO or Linode. Unless you specify what kind of site you run, and what traffic do you face, the use case is nebulous.

cobookman 7y ago
OP didn’t mention scale. Not all websites can be run on a single VM/node. Many can though