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Ask yourself this, if you have a 5 year old kid then in which company would you want him/her to work when he/she grows up ? Google or In and Out Burger ?

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scarmig 7y ago
Depends on the position. Would you prefer them to be an accountant at In-N-Out, or a Google contractor paid to scroll through and flag thousands of images of child pornography?
- wuunderbar 7y ago
  Why would you compare such drastically different (and frankly extreme) positions in the first place? That's not making any sort of point in good faith.
  - ninth_ant 7y ago
    Because it depends on the position.
- ggggtez 7y ago
  This is highly inaccurate for a number of reasons: The scores are averaged which any statistician will know means that in a place like In And Out where most jobs are making $10-$20/hr. Maybe there are accountants at In-N-Out, but I doubt their opinion even moves the needle here. You could say the same about the content flaggers or whatever. The majority opinion from FAANG companies is going to be engineers. And side note: I think anyone who spends their time helping catch child predators is someone to be respected...
  - corodra 7y ago
    Actually, I think you brought up something interesting. The stats are mostly about the "bulk" of the workforce. How are the general workers (grunts) treated? Kind of like, you can tell how clean a restaurant kitchen is by visiting the bathroom. How does Google/Fb treat their grunts (developers I assume) and how does a burger restaurant treat their cashiers/cooks? It's sad if a cashier/linecook feels like they get more respect from their managers than a developer from their own managers.
  - kortilla 7y ago
    > think anyone who spends their time helping catch child predators is someone to be respected... Sure, but knowing the psychological fallout, not really something to want for your own kid.
  - scarmig 7y ago
    You're doing a bit of sleight of hand by treating averages. The comment I was responding to was proposing a hypothetical dilemma, between guaranteeing your kid would work at Google or would work at In-N-Out. My point was twofold: one, that the idea that all jobs at FAANG companies are great is wrong (and, no, the majority of workers at FAANG companies are not engineers, who comprise a minority of employees); and two, the worst jobs at FAANG companies are worse than the worst jobs at In-N-Out. Yes, catching child predators is critical, but reviewing user-supplied content for child pornography, extreme graphic violence, etc. as part of your day job is incredibly psychologically traumatic. It's also likely that the contractors who do so receive worse compensation and benefits than the average In-N-Out worker, who does get paid relatively well and also gets health benefits.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    > The majority opinion from FAANG companies is going to be engineers. There are more Apple retail employees than engineers. I'd guess Amazon has a similar story, but I haven't checked the numbers for that.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  I know one thing: if you didn't tell me what the positions were going to be, and you said "Would you rather Google or In n Out?" I'd go for Google. The probabilities favour that direction. It's sort of like if you said "Would you rather be born in the USA or India?" Sure it depends whether you end up the child of the richest guy in India or a baby immediately human-trafficked in the USA but the probabilities line up in precisely one direction.
  - scarmig 7y ago
    A probability to think about: what proportion of Google's employees do you believe are contractors versus FTE? Come up with a figure first before you look it up. If you get it roughly right, kudos to you, but if you're pretty far off, you should consider revising your image of what a "Google employee" actually is. Not all or even a majority of contractors, to be clear, lead a bad existence. But a lot of mythmaking happens with FAANG companies, and they really want you to think of them as relying only on sexy jobs, all the while sweeping the more mundane and crappy ones under the rug.
    - scarejunba 7y ago
      Roughly half and half I'd say. But that includes the guys who do software at Google, right? I think the probabilities still line up.
trevyn 7y ago
Don’t be fooled, both are slavery.
- lozaning 7y ago
  You know the GM at any In-N-Out location grosses over 160K a year right?
strictnein 7y ago
Why not both? When that 5 year old is 15 I would be thrilled if they worked at a place like In and Out. It's a good company, it pays well, and working in that type of job is an invaluable experience.
kerng 7y ago
Why not both?
- bduerst 7y ago
  Newest Y-Combinator class entry: Burger Search
akhilcacharya 7y ago
It’s a flawed list. Would you rather have them work at In-N-Out or Amazon, which isn’t on the list?

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scarmig 7y ago

Depends on the position. Would you prefer them to be an accountant at In-N-Out, or a Google contractor paid to scroll through and flag thousands of images of child pornography?

wuunderbar 7y ago
Why would you compare such drastically different (and frankly extreme) positions in the first place? That's not making any sort of point in good faith.
- ninth_ant 7y ago
  Because it depends on the position.
ggggtez 7y ago
This is highly inaccurate for a number of reasons: The scores are averaged which any statistician will know means that in a place like In And Out where most jobs are making $10-$20/hr. Maybe there are accountants at In-N-Out, but I doubt their opinion even moves the needle here. You could say the same about the content flaggers or whatever. The majority opinion from FAANG companies is going to be engineers. And side note: I think anyone who spends their time helping catch child predators is someone to be respected...
- corodra 7y ago
  Actually, I think you brought up something interesting. The stats are mostly about the "bulk" of the workforce. How are the general workers (grunts) treated? Kind of like, you can tell how clean a restaurant kitchen is by visiting the bathroom. How does Google/Fb treat their grunts (developers I assume) and how does a burger restaurant treat their cashiers/cooks? It's sad if a cashier/linecook feels like they get more respect from their managers than a developer from their own managers.
- kortilla 7y ago
  > think anyone who spends their time helping catch child predators is someone to be respected... Sure, but knowing the psychological fallout, not really something to want for your own kid.
- scarmig 7y ago
  You're doing a bit of sleight of hand by treating averages. The comment I was responding to was proposing a hypothetical dilemma, between guaranteeing your kid would work at Google or would work at In-N-Out. My point was twofold: one, that the idea that all jobs at FAANG companies are great is wrong (and, no, the majority of workers at FAANG companies are not engineers, who comprise a minority of employees); and two, the worst jobs at FAANG companies are worse than the worst jobs at In-N-Out. Yes, catching child predators is critical, but reviewing user-supplied content for child pornography, extreme graphic violence, etc. as part of your day job is incredibly psychologically traumatic. It's also likely that the contractors who do so receive worse compensation and benefits than the average In-N-Out worker, who does get paid relatively well and also gets health benefits.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  > The majority opinion from FAANG companies is going to be engineers. There are more Apple retail employees than engineers. I'd guess Amazon has a similar story, but I haven't checked the numbers for that.
scarejunba 7y ago
I know one thing: if you didn't tell me what the positions were going to be, and you said "Would you rather Google or In n Out?" I'd go for Google. The probabilities favour that direction. It's sort of like if you said "Would you rather be born in the USA or India?" Sure it depends whether you end up the child of the richest guy in India or a baby immediately human-trafficked in the USA but the probabilities line up in precisely one direction.
- scarmig 7y ago
  A probability to think about: what proportion of Google's employees do you believe are contractors versus FTE? Come up with a figure first before you look it up. If you get it roughly right, kudos to you, but if you're pretty far off, you should consider revising your image of what a "Google employee" actually is. Not all or even a majority of contractors, to be clear, lead a bad existence. But a lot of mythmaking happens with FAANG companies, and they really want you to think of them as relying only on sexy jobs, all the while sweeping the more mundane and crappy ones under the rug.
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    Roughly half and half I'd say. But that includes the guys who do software at Google, right? I think the probabilities still line up.

trevyn 7y ago

Don’t be fooled, both are slavery.

lozaning 7y ago
You know the GM at any In-N-Out location grosses over 160K a year right?

strictnein 7y ago

Why not both? When that 5 year old is 15 I would be thrilled if they worked at a place like In and Out. It's a good company, it pays well, and working in that type of job is an invaluable experience.

kerng 7y ago

Why not both?

bduerst 7y ago
Newest Y-Combinator class entry: Burger Search

akhilcacharya 7y ago

It’s a flawed list. Would you rather have them work at In-N-Out or Amazon, which isn’t on the list?