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Because if they factored salary into their metrics that highly the only thing would matter is pay. This list is about the best places to work in the world in 2

Because if they factored salary into their metrics that highly the only thing would matter is pay. This list is about the best places to work in the world in 2020. Not best tech place to work. Or best place to work if you have a degree. In N Out pays very well for a fast food position. Compared to comparable jobs at other fast food companies, it’s easily the best one to work at.

chrisseaton 7y ago
You said we shouldn't factor in pay, then the only thing you say is good about In and Out is that they pay well.
- nilkn 7y ago
  He/she said they pay well for a fast food place, which isn't the same statement. For a company C, define S(C) to be the set of companies where the "average" employee at C could conceivably get a job without significant extra training. Under this survey, a company C is ranked highly if it is considered great within the group S(C) of companies. Said differently, a company C is ranked highly if employees working at other companies within S(C) tend to want to work at C specifically. While we may not be telling our kids to strive to work at a burger place when they're adults, the reality is there are millions of people out there who aren't going to be working at Google for various reasons but they still deserve good jobs that pay well and treat them with respect. It could very well be the case that In-N-Out stands out as a great place within S(In-N-Out) more than Google does within S(Google). Perhaps the point of contention then is whether lists like this should be aspirational or empirical. You could easily make an aspirational list by reducing it down to raw absolute pay. I'm not sure how useful that really is. This list is interesting (to me, at least) because these are places where people are actually really happy, given what their realistic options are.
  - OrgNet 7y ago
    > While we may not be telling our kids to strive to work at a burger place when they're adults, the reality is there are millions of people out there who aren't going to be working at Google for various reasons but they still deserve good jobs that pay well and treat them with respect. It could very well be the case that In-N-Out stands out as a great place within S(In-N-Out) more than Google does within S(Google). so the reason they are on the list is because they employ more people?
    - nilkn 7y ago
      I don't think so. In-N-Out, for example, is one of the smaller burger chains. Google has more employees than In-N-Out but didn't make the list.
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chrisseaton 7y ago

You said we shouldn't factor in pay, then the only thing you say is good about In and Out is that they pay well.

nilkn 7y ago
He/she said they pay well for a fast food place, which isn't the same statement. For a company C, define S(C) to be the set of companies where the "average" employee at C could conceivably get a job without significant extra training. Under this survey, a company C is ranked highly if it is considered great within the group S(C) of companies. Said differently, a company C is ranked highly if employees working at other companies within S(C) tend to want to work at C specifically. While we may not be telling our kids to strive to work at a burger place when they're adults, the reality is there are millions of people out there who aren't going to be working at Google for various reasons but they still deserve good jobs that pay well and treat them with respect. It could very well be the case that In-N-Out stands out as a great place within S(In-N-Out) more than Google does within S(Google). Perhaps the point of contention then is whether lists like this should be aspirational or empirical. You could easily make an aspirational list by reducing it down to raw absolute pay. I'm not sure how useful that really is. This list is interesting (to me, at least) because these are places where people are actually really happy, given what their realistic options are.
- OrgNet 7y ago
  > While we may not be telling our kids to strive to work at a burger place when they're adults, the reality is there are millions of people out there who aren't going to be working at Google for various reasons but they still deserve good jobs that pay well and treat them with respect. It could very well be the case that In-N-Out stands out as a great place within S(In-N-Out) more than Google does within S(Google). so the reason they are on the list is because they employ more people?
  - nilkn 7y ago
    I don't think so. In-N-Out, for example, is one of the smaller burger chains. Google has more employees than In-N-Out but didn't make the list.
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