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The problem is knowing a Stingray was ever used in the first place. It's been documented that the police routinely utilize parallel construction when they disco

• calibas 7y ago
  Seems like the police casually breaking the law is the core of the issue. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
  • TallGuyShort 7y ago
    The ACLU. edit: to be clear, I think the government itself could really do with reeling it back a bit as well - but this very news is a reminder that some people are watching out for the watched.
    • masonic 7y ago
      The ACLU was mostly mute on these issues during the prior administration, when these abuses became routine.
      • gnud 7y ago
        Just a couple of links to disprove this troll: https://www.aclu.org/cases/florida-stingray-foia https://www.aclu.org/cases/florida-stingray-foia (2014) https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-florida-v-city-sarasota-stingray-cell-phone-tracking https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-florida-v-city-sarasota-stin... (2014) https://www.aclu.org/cases/foia-request-justice-department-policy-memos-gps-location-tracking https://www.aclu.org/cases/foia-request-justice-department-p... (2014) ... and tons more, at https://www.aclu.org/defending-our-rights/court-battles?topics=98 https://www.aclu.org/defending-our-rights/court-battles?topi...
        • masonic 7y ago
          The first two are state cases, not federal, as are many of the others. I would have thought that "the administration" would clearly refer to Federal cases.
        • dang 7y ago
          Providing information is fine, but please omit the name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  • throwaway894345 7y ago
    The judiciary branch.
    • soraminazuki 7y ago
      That very same judiciary branch has a secret court that rubber stamps almost all mass surveillance requests given to them.
  • m10i 7y ago
    Latin for "Who will guard the guards themselves?".
    • gbear605 7y ago
      Alternatively also translated as “Who watches the watchmen?”
      • codetrotter 7y ago
        And even without knowing Latin the sentence is recognizable :) At least to me, when I looked at it, it looked very similar to that. Guards, watchmen, custodians. Guarding, watching, being in custody of. And I know from other languages like French words like "qui" (though I don't speak French either, only know a select few words).
• markdown 7y ago
  The tv show The Wire was a documentary after all.
• t34543 7y ago
  Almost all airports permanently run a Stingray like device
  • 2StepsOutOfLine 7y ago
    Care to elaborate more on this?
    • DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
      > For two months last year, researchers at the University of Washington paid drivers of an unidentified ridesharing service to keep custom-made sensors in the trunks of their cars, converting those vehicles into mobile cellular data collectors. They used the results to map out practically every cell tower in the cities of Seattle and Milwaukee—along with at least two anomalous transmitters they believe were likely stingrays, located at the Seattle office of the US Customs and Immigration Service, and the Seattle-Tacoma Airport. source: https://www.wired.com/2017/06/researchers-use-rideshares-sniff-stingray-locations/ https://www.wired.com/2017/06/researchers-use-rideshares-sni... > At Trudeau airport, Radio-Canada detected the catcher's presence through the use of a CryptoPhone — a cellphone look-alike that emits red alerts when a fake antenna tries to catch its signal. Several red alerts were received, throughout the afternoon and early evening, in the section of the airport for U.S. departures. source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/trudeau-airport-spying-1.4055803 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/trudeau-airport-spyi... > The devices are operated out of at least five U.S. airports, "covering most of the U.S. population". It is unclear whether the U.S. Marshals Service requests court orders to use the devices. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirtbox_(cell_phone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirtbox_(cell_phone)
      • mrandish 7y ago
        That's super interesting. Those are international departure airports. I wonder if what they're doing is sniffing for phone numbers of interest showing up in the international terminal indicating a 'person of interest' is trying to leave or arrive. I assume people trying to leave or enter the country without permission might have false ID and a false name on their ticket but they probably don't think about changing their phone number. Once you have a number pop up on the Stingray you distribute that person's photo to all the border agents.
• sebasmurphy 7y ago
  Or when challenged they drop the charges as to not disclose the true "source". https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/prosecutors-drop-key-evidence-at-trial-to-avoid-explaining-stingray-use/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/prosecutors-drop... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/alleged-getaway-driver-challenges-stingray-use-robbery-case-dropped/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/alleged-getaway-...