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Robert Pirsig advocated the abolition of grading. From Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: "The student’s biggest problem was a slave mentality which ha
by logjam 16y ago
Robert Pirsig advocated the abolition of grading. From Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance:
"The student’s biggest problem was a slave mentality which had been built into him by years of carrot-and -whip grading, a mule mentality which said, "If you don’t whip me, I won’t work." He didn’t get whipped. He didn’t work. And the cart of civilization, which he supposedly was being trained to pull, was just going to have to creak along a little slower without him.
"This is a tragedy, however, only if you presume that the cart of civilization, "the system", is pulled by mules. This is a common, vocational, "location" point of view, but it’s not the [true learning]’s attitude. [True learning]’s attitude is that civilization, or " the system ", or "society", or whatever you want to call it, is best served not by mules but by free men. The purpose of abolishing grades and degrees is not to punish mules or to get rid of them but to provide an environment in which that mule can turn into a free man."
"So he would come back to our degreeless and gradeless school, but with a difference. He’d no longer be a grade-motivated person. He’d be a knowledge-motivated person. He would need no external pushing to learn. His push would come from inside. He’d be a free man. He wouldn’t need a lot of discipline to shape him up. In fact, if the instructors were slacking on the job he would be likely to shape them up by asking rude questions. He’d be there to learn something, would be paying to learn something and they’d better come up with it. "
"Motivation of this sort, once it catches hold, is a ferocious force, and in the gradeless, degreeless institution where our student would find himself, he wouldn’t stop with rote engineering information. Physics and mathematics were going to come within his sphere of interest because he’d see he needed them. Metallurgy and electrical engineering would come up for attention. And, in the process of intellectual maturing that these abstract studies gave him, he would be likely to branch out into other theoretical areas that weren’t directly related to machines but had become a part of a newer larger goal. This larger goal wouldn’t be the imitation of education in Universities today, glossed over and concealed by grades and degrees that give the appearance of something happening when, in fact, almost nothing is going on."
"It would be the real thing."
- algoshift 16y agoI don't think that the abolition of grading is a good idea. You need some way to communicate what someone has learned. Current grading systems are meaningless. I can't hire someone with a perfect 4.0 and assume that they really know their stuff. The example I use all the time is from when I was in college taking subjects like physics and calculus. A few of us were very much hands-on kind of guys that grew up making things and generally connecting with the real world. Other students had never done anything beyond high-school science class. Never a splinter in their finger or trying to make balsa-wood contraption fly. There was a stark contrast between testing in math and physics because of this. There was a bunch of students that were test taking machines when it came to calculus. Always got A's. However, when it came time to apply that to a physics test they failed --sometimes miserably-- because there was no real understanding or knowledge. I find myself re-living some of that as I now help my kids learn science. Dad is no famous for taking the algebra explanation to the garage and grabbing a tape measure, some wood and a handsaw. The function y = x can have a myriad of different domain values depending on what it is you happen to be talking about. This is not what they teach in school and it certainly isn't what they are testing for. Anyhow, grades need to encode real knowledge. This is what I am striving for in the apps I am working on and hope that some day schools figure it out as well.