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This is the reaction of much of HN to virtually every article that isn't their wheelhouse. Yet a one second search confirms the situation regarding blood produc

This is the reaction of much of HN to virtually every article that isn't their wheelhouse. Yet a one second search confirms the situation regarding blood product exports... Look at the mental gymnastics, misdirections and pearl-clutching a few are engaged in, and where there is any possible variance, in their opinion, surely it must be in favor of their argument. It is simply bizarre. A few days ago there was a post about the oceans warming and what that meant to sea life (a report from a massive scientific org). The top post -- what HN's collective genius felt was the take-away -- was an absolutely ignorant bit of "why this is all wrong according to me, some random guy who read something on reddit". It is absolutely the Stupidification of Western society, and is idiocracy writ large.

glofish 7y ago
Except it does not. Human or Animal blood is not donated plasma. As a matter of fact the sources that are cited state that the biggest exporter is Ireland: > Ireland: US$3.2 billion (37.8% of total blood exports) Are you arguing that Ireland has more blood plasma donations then the US?
- endorphone 7y ago
  "Human or Animal blood is not donated plasma." Plasma is a sub-category of blood. None of this discussion has been about just plasma. "Are you arguing that Ireland has more blood plasma donations then the US?" a) I'm not "arguing" anything, b) Ireland...what? What are you even talking about now c) even if this was remotely a part of this discussion, exports and domestic production are two dramatically different numbers. Some countries produce for export, some export barely any. Trying to misrepresent one for the other is not a reasonable tactic.
  - glofish 7y ago
    The entire discussion is about paying people for their blood and the main argument backing up the exploitation was the size of the exports. All I am showing is that a country can export lots of blood even when they don't allow paid "donations" (like Ireland) - thus demonstrating that the magnitude of the blood exports has nothing to do with the paid or unpaid nature of donations. Thus the whole article is little more than fear-mongering and fake news. That being said, I would not be surprised to learn that there are people that get exploited. I would not be surprised to learn that there may substantial problems and we should work on solving those. But exaggerating and fake news does not help anybody.
  - neonate 7y ago
    I think what glofish and arcticfox are arguing is that these export numbers include things like animal blood and vaccines that have nothing to do with "the blood of poor Americans", which is the article's outrageous claim. Ireland is relevant because it has comparably sized exports to the U.S. in this category but vastly fewer people, indicating that most of what's included in this category isn't obtained from humans.
arcticfox 7y ago
Are you kidding? That source is including human and animal vaccines in the category, like I included in my other comment. That is a massively larger industry. I am going to contact the oec.world author about it.
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glofish 7y ago

Except it does not. Human or Animal blood is not donated plasma. As a matter of fact the sources that are cited state that the biggest exporter is Ireland: > Ireland: US$3.2 billion (37.8% of total blood exports) Are you arguing that Ireland has more blood plasma donations then the US?

endorphone 7y ago
"Human or Animal blood is not donated plasma." Plasma is a sub-category of blood. None of this discussion has been about just plasma. "Are you arguing that Ireland has more blood plasma donations then the US?" a) I'm not "arguing" anything, b) Ireland...what? What are you even talking about now c) even if this was remotely a part of this discussion, exports and domestic production are two dramatically different numbers. Some countries produce for export, some export barely any. Trying to misrepresent one for the other is not a reasonable tactic.
- glofish 7y ago
  The entire discussion is about paying people for their blood and the main argument backing up the exploitation was the size of the exports. All I am showing is that a country can export lots of blood even when they don't allow paid "donations" (like Ireland) - thus demonstrating that the magnitude of the blood exports has nothing to do with the paid or unpaid nature of donations. Thus the whole article is little more than fear-mongering and fake news. That being said, I would not be surprised to learn that there are people that get exploited. I would not be surprised to learn that there may substantial problems and we should work on solving those. But exaggerating and fake news does not help anybody.
- neonate 7y ago
  I think what glofish and arcticfox are arguing is that these export numbers include things like animal blood and vaccines that have nothing to do with "the blood of poor Americans", which is the article's outrageous claim. Ireland is relevant because it has comparably sized exports to the U.S. in this category but vastly fewer people, indicating that most of what's included in this category isn't obtained from humans.

arcticfox 7y ago

Are you kidding? That source is including human and animal vaccines in the category, like I included in my other comment. That is a massively larger industry. I am going to contact the oec.world author about it.

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