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That sounds like trouble for the urban way of life, too. Where do all the young urban types come from? Not from downtown. Where do all the older folks go when t

That sounds like trouble for the urban way of life, too. Where do all the young urban types come from? Not from downtown. Where do all the older folks go when their savings or mobility dwindle? Not downtown.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
They come from and go to the places between downtown and small towns.
electricslpnsld 7y ago
> Where do all the young urban types come from? Not from downtown. Queens or the Upper West Side!
blamestross 7y ago
You are right, but with the wrong goal. We need culture and people in rural areas. We need a new "small town culture" I'm not sure what that will look like, but this one is rotten.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Support remote work and rural infra investment (shoutout to Bernie Sanders and his rural internet investment plan). I want to live in rural areas while still being able to work a job that isn't going to (needlessly) require me to be onsite in a downtown core (Disclaimer: I work remotely). > We need a new "small town culture" 100 percent. Community building is hard, not profitable, but necessary. It used to be churches. Not sure what it looks like today. If I had to hazard a guess, something like Mr Money Mustache's coworking setup [1] [2]. [1] https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/hq/ https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/hq/ [2] https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2018/09/05/what-really-goes-on-at-mmm-headquarters/ https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2018/09/05/what-really-goes-...
  - bryanlarsen 7y ago
    > why would I live in the condo? Because life without friends is hard on the mental health. If you can make friends in a rural area, they're likely going to be the best friends anybody could ever ask for. But when there are approximately 5 people your age and gender within a 25 mile radius of your farm it's pretty hard to find someone with any sort of shared interest.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      I took that part of my comment out, I thought it wasn't relevant. But since we're here: I am unlikely to meet people like myself (or those who I would friend) in an urban core. More likely, I will end up friends with people I work with remotely or the parents of my kids' friends. And quite honestly, on a Friday or Saturday night, I'd rather be working on my workbench on a project alone after the kids are asleep. I prefer to take my chances in a rural area, and having to bootstrap community, versus tolerating an urban lifestyle.
  - qwerty456127 7y ago
    I couldn't agree more. I'd love to live in deep rural but I really need at least 10 mbit/s duplex reliable (rare downtime, low ping/jitter) internet connection (at a reasonable price), Amazon/eBay/etc delivery and a train to get me to the city in no longer than a couple of hours on any day I need. Once these are available I'm movin'
    - sizzzzlerz 7y ago
      No ISP is going to invest in high-speed internet to rural areas without a built-in base large enough and willing to pay for it. In any case, I'm pretty sure that they'd charge somewhere north of your reasonable price. As for trains, even less unlikely. Running a train is a massive expense in capital costs and maintenance. Any trains still remaining today are exclusively freight save for Amtrack which only follows its limited routes.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        https://muninetworks.org/communitymap https://muninetworks.org/communitymap https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/the-one-traffic-light-town-with-some-of-the-fastest-internet-in-the-us https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/the-one-... https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3np4a/new-municipal-broadband-map https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3np4a/new-municipal-broa...
      - qwerty456127 7y ago
        As for trains the situation already is perfect all over (well, perhaps not all over but everywhere I've been to) the Europe. Cheap, comfortable, everywhere. The situation with the Internet connection and delivery services is somewhat worse but improving and I hope Startlink etc are going to revolutionize the market by delivering Internet everywhere. I believe Internet everywhere really is an essential thing every nation has to get to revitalize rural development.
ikeyany 7y ago
They are settling down in the cities, which America decided can be livable if you invest in transit and walkable neighborhoods.
- cooperadymas 7y ago
  Edit: you edited the irony out of your post, never mind!

lotsofpulp 7y ago

They come from and go to the places between downtown and small towns.

electricslpnsld 7y ago

> Where do all the young urban types come from? Not from downtown. Queens or the Upper West Side!

blamestross 7y ago

You are right, but with the wrong goal. We need culture and people in rural areas. We need a new "small town culture" I'm not sure what that will look like, but this one is rotten.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Support remote work and rural infra investment (shoutout to Bernie Sanders and his rural internet investment plan). I want to live in rural areas while still being able to work a job that isn't going to (needlessly) require me to be onsite in a downtown core (Disclaimer: I work remotely). > We need a new "small town culture" 100 percent. Community building is hard, not profitable, but necessary. It used to be churches. Not sure what it looks like today. If I had to hazard a guess, something like Mr Money Mustache's coworking setup [1] [2]. [1] https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/hq/ https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/hq/ [2] https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2018/09/05/what-really-goes-on-at-mmm-headquarters/ https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2018/09/05/what-really-goes-...
- bryanlarsen 7y ago
  > why would I live in the condo? Because life without friends is hard on the mental health. If you can make friends in a rural area, they're likely going to be the best friends anybody could ever ask for. But when there are approximately 5 people your age and gender within a 25 mile radius of your farm it's pretty hard to find someone with any sort of shared interest.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    I took that part of my comment out, I thought it wasn't relevant. But since we're here: I am unlikely to meet people like myself (or those who I would friend) in an urban core. More likely, I will end up friends with people I work with remotely or the parents of my kids' friends. And quite honestly, on a Friday or Saturday night, I'd rather be working on my workbench on a project alone after the kids are asleep. I prefer to take my chances in a rural area, and having to bootstrap community, versus tolerating an urban lifestyle.
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  I couldn't agree more. I'd love to live in deep rural but I really need at least 10 mbit/s duplex reliable (rare downtime, low ping/jitter) internet connection (at a reasonable price), Amazon/eBay/etc delivery and a train to get me to the city in no longer than a couple of hours on any day I need. Once these are available I'm movin'
  - sizzzzlerz 7y ago
    No ISP is going to invest in high-speed internet to rural areas without a built-in base large enough and willing to pay for it. In any case, I'm pretty sure that they'd charge somewhere north of your reasonable price. As for trains, even less unlikely. Running a train is a massive expense in capital costs and maintenance. Any trains still remaining today are exclusively freight save for Amtrack which only follows its limited routes.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      https://muninetworks.org/communitymap https://muninetworks.org/communitymap https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/the-one-traffic-light-town-with-some-of-the-fastest-internet-in-the-us https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/the-one-... https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3np4a/new-municipal-broadband-map https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3np4a/new-municipal-broa...
    - qwerty456127 7y ago
      As for trains the situation already is perfect all over (well, perhaps not all over but everywhere I've been to) the Europe. Cheap, comfortable, everywhere. The situation with the Internet connection and delivery services is somewhat worse but improving and I hope Startlink etc are going to revolutionize the market by delivering Internet everywhere. I believe Internet everywhere really is an essential thing every nation has to get to revitalize rural development.

ikeyany 7y ago

They are settling down in the cities, which America decided can be livable if you invest in transit and walkable neighborhoods.

cooperadymas 7y ago
Edit: you edited the irony out of your post, never mind!