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You write just like everyone normally writes, by dropping the accent. I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication, r

You write just like everyone normally writes, by dropping the accent. I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication, rather than in casual, day-to-day use.

nkrisc 7y ago
Precisely. Even when writing by hand, where there are no character encoding limitations, I've never seen anyone add the accents to "fiance" or "cafe" or "resume" when writing in English.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > I've never seen anyone add the accents to "fiance" or "cafe" or "resume" when writing in English. We have café all the way from McDonalds up to Buckingham Palace. https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/menu/mccafe.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/menu/mccafe.html https://www.rct.uk/visit/the-state-rooms-buckingham-palace https://www.rct.uk/visit/the-state-rooms-buckingham-palace
  - nkrisc 7y ago
    You've quoted me out of context. I was referring to handwriting. Besides, I would bet dropping the accent is more common than including it.
  - spadros 7y ago
    "I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication" McCafe and Buckingham Palace would want the "sophistication angle". Both spellings work obviously, but IMO (and the majority of English books) "cafe" is the "correct" spelling. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=caf%C3%A9%2Ccafe&year_start=1840&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Ccaf%C3%A9%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ccafe%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=caf%C3%A9%2Cca...
dpau 7y ago
it's weird that when i search for "cafe dictionary" in google all the dictionaries except the Oxford Learner's Dictionary spell it as "café"
- nkrisc 7y ago
  And most dictionaries have something to the effect of: Variants: cafe
emilecantin 7y ago
My first name is Émile. This is not some attempt at sophistication, it's just my name. It's kind of sad to see that even a simple accent like that is butchered by so many sites (I often see my name written as Ä©~mile)
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Other languages figured out good compromises, e.g. Dostoyevsky is transliterated from Достоевский; the name of China's current dictator doesn't even render in my browser, but is transliterated to Jinping Xi. German passports have the German version for humans, and a standardized, transliterated version for computers. Gößmann becomes GOESSMANN. I see no reason why the same thing can't happen; just drop the accent from the E. Also, for some reason, my browser shows that E as having no accent, if you want an illustration of the problem.
  - iudqnolq 7y ago
    A nitpick: Xi is his last name, but Chinese names are generally transliterated in the Chinese order of LAST FIRST ("Xi Jinping"). If you do a verbatim Google search for "Jinping Xi" you'll get around 500 results. If a Chinese person adopts an English name, they'll put it first, however. Eg "Jake Ma".

You write just like everyone normally writes, by dropping the accent. I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication, rather than in casual, day-to-day use.

nkrisc 7y ago

Precisely. Even when writing by hand, where there are no character encoding limitations, I've never seen anyone add the accents to "fiance" or "cafe" or "resume" when writing in English.

chrisseaton 7y ago
> I've never seen anyone add the accents to "fiance" or "cafe" or "resume" when writing in English. We have café all the way from McDonalds up to Buckingham Palace. https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/menu/mccafe.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/menu/mccafe.html https://www.rct.uk/visit/the-state-rooms-buckingham-palace https://www.rct.uk/visit/the-state-rooms-buckingham-palace
- nkrisc 7y ago
  You've quoted me out of context. I was referring to handwriting. Besides, I would bet dropping the accent is more common than including it.
- spadros 7y ago
  "I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication" McCafe and Buckingham Palace would want the "sophistication angle". Both spellings work obviously, but IMO (and the majority of English books) "cafe" is the "correct" spelling. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=caf%C3%A9%2Ccafe&year_start=1840&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Ccaf%C3%A9%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ccafe%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=caf%C3%A9%2Cca...

dpau 7y ago

it's weird that when i search for "cafe dictionary" in google all the dictionaries except the Oxford Learner's Dictionary spell it as "café"

nkrisc 7y ago
And most dictionaries have something to the effect of: Variants: cafe

emilecantin 7y ago

My first name is Émile. This is not some attempt at sophistication, it's just my name. It's kind of sad to see that even a simple accent like that is butchered by so many sites (I often see my name written as Ä©~mile)

big_chungus 7y ago
Other languages figured out good compromises, e.g. Dostoyevsky is transliterated from Достоевский; the name of China's current dictator doesn't even render in my browser, but is transliterated to Jinping Xi. German passports have the German version for humans, and a standardized, transliterated version for computers. Gößmann becomes GOESSMANN. I see no reason why the same thing can't happen; just drop the accent from the E. Also, for some reason, my browser shows that E as having no accent, if you want an illustration of the problem.
- iudqnolq 7y ago
  A nitpick: Xi is his last name, but Chinese names are generally transliterated in the Chinese order of LAST FIRST ("Xi Jinping"). If you do a verbatim Google search for "Jinping Xi" you'll get around 500 results. If a Chinese person adopts an English name, they'll put it first, however. Eg "Jake Ma".