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There's a quasi exception though: French dub of Japanese anime. For some reason, the French language's intonations work really well to accurately portray and c

by k_sze 7y ago

There's a quasi exception though: French dub of Japanese anime. For some reason, the French language's intonations work really well to accurately portray and convey the original tones in Japanese anime. e.g. Lupin III (the anime) works really well in French dub. English dubs usually fail to do the same. It's as though English just doesn't work for the genre.

jacobush 7y ago
I have thought about this, and I agree. The best English anime dubs are when the voice actors overdo it a little and draw from the Japanese voice acting.
paganel 7y ago
The Italian ones are really good, too. The Italian intro/“sigla” [1] for the Lupin the 3rd anime series has stuck with me for 25 years, ever since I first heard it. [1] https://youtu.be/AKmzwpALHg4 https://youtu.be/AKmzwpALHg4
- k_sze 7y ago
  Now that you mention it, I imagine that other Romance languages of continental Europe (e.g. Spanish and Portuguese) could work really well, too. How does German work? Is it possible that Germanic/Saxon languages aren't good for dubbing anime?
- rasz 7y ago
  Grrr. I grew up with the misconception All Anime (dragon ball, gigi, daimos, tsubasa, yattaman) was Italian due to 'Polonia 1' pirate TV station being run by Italian businessman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonia_1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonia_1 example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzm_bODiJwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzm_bODiJwU
tasogare 7y ago
As a French native speaker with Japanese ability, I disagree completely. Most of the time is cringy as hell, and there are changes in meaning as well. Anime from Club Dorothée area were dubbed in a joking manner by voice actors because they didn't give a shit about it. Philippe Ogouz in an interview said, amongst other things: "Non. On ne suivait RIEN. On ne suivait rien. Là je vais vous décevoir, pour nous c'était.... On s'en foutait, pour nous c'était la déconnade." http://hokuto.free.fr/ecrit.htm http://hokuto.free.fr/ecrit.htm All that stuff is an accident of history, because the professionals of the time didn't take the job seriously, and it produced something funny. That being said, as animation is mostly targeted at kids, it's good there are dubbed, because as a kid reading subtitles of any movie or assimilated is a total fun killer.
- Mijka 7y ago
  Felt the same. The few french dubs that are feeling "ok" are mostly biased from nostalgia by being the first things we were exposed to. I know i feel that way with the Cowboy Bebop dub (and i won't take into account the Miyazaki movies as they are exceptions for many reasons). The few other dubs i was exposed to later in life weren't good experiences either and you could feel the limited cast (in quality and quantity of actors) failing at not butchering things along the process. Like you said animation and dubbing it wasn't taken seriously at all in the past, and is still limited nowadays in France as i understand it (short discussions with actual french dubbing actress and few articles).
Grue3 7y ago
Japanese dubs of almost anything are usually pretty great. Voice acting is a large industry in Japan, and many voice actors are pretty much celebrities.
saiya-jin 7y ago
lol my first encounter with anime was on Polish TV, DragonBall Z. Imagine hearing french (which I had no clue about so just guessing situations from emotions), then in parallel dubbed by very monotone Polish voice from single guy, with few seconds delay. I am not very good at understanding Polish (lived not far across the border so we could catch OK analog signal), but much better than French. Hilarious, confusing, and I couldn't care less. At that time, it was so much above any other cartoon TV show, brutal, violent, funny and opened for me the whole world of anime that is not necessarily childish. Good times

by k_sze 7y ago

jacobush 7y ago

I have thought about this, and I agree. The best English anime dubs are when the voice actors overdo it a little and draw from the Japanese voice acting.

paganel 7y ago

The Italian ones are really good, too. The Italian intro/“sigla” [1] for the Lupin the 3rd anime series has stuck with me for 25 years, ever since I first heard it. [1] https://youtu.be/AKmzwpALHg4 https://youtu.be/AKmzwpALHg4

k_sze 7y ago
Now that you mention it, I imagine that other Romance languages of continental Europe (e.g. Spanish and Portuguese) could work really well, too. How does German work? Is it possible that Germanic/Saxon languages aren't good for dubbing anime?
rasz 7y ago
Grrr. I grew up with the misconception All Anime (dragon ball, gigi, daimos, tsubasa, yattaman) was Italian due to 'Polonia 1' pirate TV station being run by Italian businessman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonia_1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonia_1 example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzm_bODiJwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzm_bODiJwU

tasogare 7y ago

As a French native speaker with Japanese ability, I disagree completely. Most of the time is cringy as hell, and there are changes in meaning as well. Anime from Club Dorothée area were dubbed in a joking manner by voice actors because they didn't give a shit about it. Philippe Ogouz in an interview said, amongst other things: "Non. On ne suivait RIEN. On ne suivait rien. Là je vais vous décevoir, pour nous c'était.... On s'en foutait, pour nous c'était la déconnade." http://hokuto.free.fr/ecrit.htm http://hokuto.free.fr/ecrit.htm All that stuff is an accident of history, because the professionals of the time didn't take the job seriously, and it produced something funny. That being said, as animation is mostly targeted at kids, it's good there are dubbed, because as a kid reading subtitles of any movie or assimilated is a total fun killer.

Mijka 7y ago
Felt the same. The few french dubs that are feeling "ok" are mostly biased from nostalgia by being the first things we were exposed to. I know i feel that way with the Cowboy Bebop dub (and i won't take into account the Miyazaki movies as they are exceptions for many reasons). The few other dubs i was exposed to later in life weren't good experiences either and you could feel the limited cast (in quality and quantity of actors) failing at not butchering things along the process. Like you said animation and dubbing it wasn't taken seriously at all in the past, and is still limited nowadays in France as i understand it (short discussions with actual french dubbing actress and few articles).

Grue3 7y ago

Japanese dubs of almost anything are usually pretty great. Voice acting is a large industry in Japan, and many voice actors are pretty much celebrities.

saiya-jin 7y ago

lol my first encounter with anime was on Polish TV, DragonBall Z. Imagine hearing french (which I had no clue about so just guessing situations from emotions), then in parallel dubbed by very monotone Polish voice from single guy, with few seconds delay. I am not very good at understanding Polish (lived not far across the border so we could catch OK analog signal), but much better than French. Hilarious, confusing, and I couldn't care less. At that time, it was so much above any other cartoon TV show, brutal, violent, funny and opened for me the whole world of anime that is not necessarily childish. Good times