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Just as a point of logic: even if we are 100% sure that there is no funny business going on with ownership of Huawei (which we don't know), we should just assum

Just as a point of logic: even if we are 100% sure that there is no funny business going on with ownership of Huawei (which we don't know), we should just assume the govt interferes because the incentives to do so are strong and the mechanisms do so already exist (presumably, Huawei has a "red machine"). Believing the Chinese govt don't interfere is attributing some fairly superhuman levels of self-control to the govt...even in a system with controls over govt, that would be unlikely...in a system with no controls, it is a little ludicrous.

gscott 7y ago
How these phone systems work is that Huawei has access to them to send updates and can remote in. Same with American or European telecom manufactures. In case of a war or conflict the Chinese government can order Huawei to shut down systems they have installed in foreign countries anytime. So while it might be an economic objective to sell more Huawei systems there is a security angle to that for every Huawei phone system running that it can be shut down remotely or sent a bad update that shuts it down. Which would be magic if a country aligns with the United States against China in some sort of conflict even if that country never goes into battle it will still be punished by China in a way that will take millions of dollars and probably months to recover from.
- ashildr 7y ago
  So what you are saying is that components of the 5G network have their management interfaces connected to the internet and some kind of auto-update on that downloads updates from Chinese servers? I’m not entirely convinced of your expertise.
  - gscott 7y ago
    Pretty much, I can't find the reference article now but this article below is good for just about anything that is going to be remotely managed by China: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3038655/china-can-turn-philippine-national-power-grid-officials-say https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3038655/chin...
  - bnjms 7y ago
    There would be a management network to vpn into and a server for storing images on. It would require planning but he’s right.

gscott 7y ago

How these phone systems work is that Huawei has access to them to send updates and can remote in. Same with American or European telecom manufactures. In case of a war or conflict the Chinese government can order Huawei to shut down systems they have installed in foreign countries anytime. So while it might be an economic objective to sell more Huawei systems there is a security angle to that for every Huawei phone system running that it can be shut down remotely or sent a bad update that shuts it down. Which would be magic if a country aligns with the United States against China in some sort of conflict even if that country never goes into battle it will still be punished by China in a way that will take millions of dollars and probably months to recover from.

ashildr 7y ago
So what you are saying is that components of the 5G network have their management interfaces connected to the internet and some kind of auto-update on that downloads updates from Chinese servers? I’m not entirely convinced of your expertise.
- gscott 7y ago
  Pretty much, I can't find the reference article now but this article below is good for just about anything that is going to be remotely managed by China: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3038655/china-can-turn-philippine-national-power-grid-officials-say https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3038655/chin...
- bnjms 7y ago
  There would be a management network to vpn into and a server for storing images on. It would require planning but he’s right.