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What do you do when you need to debug an issue and the container contains no utils? I expect someone will leave a comment saying "But you shouldn't be entering

What do you do when you need to debug an issue and the container contains no utils? I expect someone will leave a comment saying "But you shouldn't be entering containers, you should be using Ansible/Kubernetes". Yes, that is how I manage changes but sometimes you just have to log in and see what is going on with htop/etc

londons_explore 7y ago
My dream solution to this issue is a one liner command like: docker exec -it --augment=ubuntu my_container bash Would start bash in the container, but also layer into the filesystem all the rest of a standard ubuntu image only for my tools, but not affecting the application in the running container. I'm pretty sure that's possible with current linux kernel mount namespace/overlayfs infrastructure used by docker - all that's needed is the command line tool to support it.
- zapita 7y ago
  Which version of bash would you expect to run in this example? (1) If it's the bash version from the standard ubuntu image, you will need to specify where to mount your application's filesystem inside the ubuntu filesystem. (2) If it's the bash version from your application, then it's the other way around: you will need to specify where to mount the ubuntu filesystem inside your container. Option (1) seems more practical. My point is that you will need to specify a mountpoint either way, and your commands will need to take this mountpoint into account.
  - londons_explore 7y ago
    Mount both filesystems at the same place as an overlay - if a file exists in both, I don't care which I see.
    - zapita 7y ago
      I see. That will work as long as your app is built on the same distro as your tools image (in your case, ubuntu).
- dlor 7y ago
  The new ephemeral container support in kubernetes lets you do essentially that. You bring the filesystem from another container image into the PID/network namespace of a running container in a pod.
  - knodi123 7y ago
    lol, it's fun to imagine going back in time to explain what you just said to my 2004 sysadmin self. back when I used to build servers, and colo them, and physically maintain them.
seneca 7y ago
A good pattern is to build an image specifically containing troubleshooting tools which can be run and attached to a problem container's namespace. That gives you a standard set of tools without having to bake them into every image.
- downerending 7y ago
  Is there more doc on this idea somewhere? In particular, being able to strace without root (etc) would make life a lot easier.
  - geofft 7y ago
    FYI, you don't need any special permissions to strace in a docker container - you just need to disable the default seccomp profile (docker run --security-opt seccomp=unconfined), which blocks use of many unusual-in-production syscalls including ptrace: https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/seccomp/ https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/seccomp/ One common workaround floating around the internets is to use --cap-add SYS_PTRACE. This has the side effect of permitting the ptrace syscall, but it also gives you the ability to ptrace processes owned by other users etc. That's more than you need and it's kind of dangerous in a production-ish container.
    - downerending 7y ago
      I might be thinking of a different scenario (and I'm generally using Singularity rather than Docker). I want to start my container under 'strace' and see everything. This is not generally possible in the obvious way, as there's a setuid-root binary in the process tree that blocks further strace'ing. (One can still attach after everything's running, but that's not always good enough.)
andoriyu 7y ago
Answer to "How do you debug an issue in a running container?" is "you read logs or you don't." Generally you build a special debug image that has busybox or whatever. In case of distroless, debug image has busybox and everything that comes with it. Also, what are you trying to see with top/htop? In ideal world you will see a single process pid 1 that is your entry point. There shouldn't be more than one process running in it. You can get resource consumption of a container without logging into the container just like you can get running processes without getting into container. There is nothing else you can do without dragging wholelot of dependencies: - Anything java related will require a JDK - Debugging any native code will require a whole debugger - Debugging python/ruby will either work or will require dev dependencies Sidenote: Who the fuck uses ansible to debug containers?
raidan 7y ago
The github page for Docker-slim goes into some detail on how this can be done using a side-car container[0]. [0] https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim#debugging-minified-containers https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim#debugging-minifie...
djsumdog 7y ago
I went to a presentation on Sysdig thinking that would be some kind of solution. Not really; not unless you want to hunt down or write syscall filters (or find some online) or pay for the Enterprise version. I just wish there was a way to do the basics: 1. Look at files within my running container (maybe even modify them, without needing vim or nano installed inside it). 2. Ping/ICMP something from within the container (again, without ping being in the container itself) 3. DNS lookups from within the container 4. Connect to a port on an IP or DNS name from within the container 5. Inspect the contents of a dead container that won't start without having to commit it first. I did a post a while back on how I feel about debuggin within containers, and I should probably write another one because I don't think I cover those 5 things: https://battlepenguin.com/tech/my-love-hate-relationship-with-docker-and-container-orchestration-systems/ https://battlepenguin.com/tech/my-love-hate-relationship-wit...
- ljm 7y ago
  For point one you can grab the running container tag and then add a layer on top with any tools you need. You obviously won’t get the same operational state but if you want to poke around a container you’ve built and see what’s in it, you can just extend it.
tennix 7y ago
You can debug such containers by running another debugging container to join their corresponding namespaces. For example the most frequently used namespaces are pid and network, with these two namespaces joined the target container, you can see its pid and binary as well as the network traffic. For docker and k8s, there are two helpful tools which implement what I said with simple and intuitive UI: * https://github.com/zeromake/docker-debug https://github.com/zeromake/docker-debug * https://github.com/aylei/kubectl-debug https://github.com/aylei/kubectl-debug Edit: Add links for the helper tools.
alinspired 7y ago
use a docker sidecar, in fact explained in the docker-slim repo: https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim#debugging-minified-containers https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim#debugging-minifie...
- kylequest 7y ago
  And with Kubernetes you can use Ephemeral Containers for that.
kimi 7y ago
yum install
yegle 7y ago
For running network related debug tool: use nsenter (https://github.com/jpetazzo/nsenter/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/jpetazzo/nsenter/blob/master/README.md) which allows you to run network related tools using the network namespace of the container. For simple shell access, use the :debug variant of distroless images which include a shell. For more complex troubleshooting, I think other people has recommended many ways. I haven't had the need to do such troubleshooting but if I need to I would mount an image with necessary binaries into the container. This is where distroless becomes handy: I can mount a Debian image and don't worry about ABI compatibility.
quicksilver03 7y ago
I'd love to have 50 upvotes to give to this particular comment. With Docker being so fashionable, too many applications which have strictly no business being containerized are shoehorned into containers (e.g. Confluence). My rule of thumb is: as soon as I have to `docker exec` into a running container because something's wrong, this container needs to be stopped and a VM should be used instead.

londons_explore 7y ago

My dream solution to this issue is a one liner command like: docker exec -it --augment=ubuntu my_container bash Would start bash in the container, but also layer into the filesystem all the rest of a standard ubuntu image only for my tools, but not affecting the application in the running container. I'm pretty sure that's possible with current linux kernel mount namespace/overlayfs infrastructure used by docker - all that's needed is the command line tool to support it.

zapita 7y ago
Which version of bash would you expect to run in this example? (1) If it's the bash version from the standard ubuntu image, you will need to specify where to mount your application's filesystem inside the ubuntu filesystem. (2) If it's the bash version from your application, then it's the other way around: you will need to specify where to mount the ubuntu filesystem inside your container. Option (1) seems more practical. My point is that you will need to specify a mountpoint either way, and your commands will need to take this mountpoint into account.
- londons_explore 7y ago
  Mount both filesystems at the same place as an overlay - if a file exists in both, I don't care which I see.
  - zapita 7y ago
    I see. That will work as long as your app is built on the same distro as your tools image (in your case, ubuntu).
dlor 7y ago
The new ephemeral container support in kubernetes lets you do essentially that. You bring the filesystem from another container image into the PID/network namespace of a running container in a pod.
- knodi123 7y ago
  lol, it's fun to imagine going back in time to explain what you just said to my 2004 sysadmin self. back when I used to build servers, and colo them, and physically maintain them.

seneca 7y ago

A good pattern is to build an image specifically containing troubleshooting tools which can be run and attached to a problem container's namespace. That gives you a standard set of tools without having to bake them into every image.

downerending 7y ago
Is there more doc on this idea somewhere? In particular, being able to strace without root (etc) would make life a lot easier.
- geofft 7y ago
  FYI, you don't need any special permissions to strace in a docker container - you just need to disable the default seccomp profile (docker run --security-opt seccomp=unconfined), which blocks use of many unusual-in-production syscalls including ptrace: https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/seccomp/ https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/seccomp/ One common workaround floating around the internets is to use --cap-add SYS_PTRACE. This has the side effect of permitting the ptrace syscall, but it also gives you the ability to ptrace processes owned by other users etc. That's more than you need and it's kind of dangerous in a production-ish container.
  - downerending 7y ago
    I might be thinking of a different scenario (and I'm generally using Singularity rather than Docker). I want to start my container under 'strace' and see everything. This is not generally possible in the obvious way, as there's a setuid-root binary in the process tree that blocks further strace'ing. (One can still attach after everything's running, but that's not always good enough.)

andoriyu 7y ago

Answer to "How do you debug an issue in a running container?" is "you read logs or you don't." Generally you build a special debug image that has busybox or whatever. In case of distroless, debug image has busybox and everything that comes with it. Also, what are you trying to see with top/htop? In ideal world you will see a single process pid 1 that is your entry point. There shouldn't be more than one process running in it. You can get resource consumption of a container without logging into the container just like you can get running processes without getting into container. There is nothing else you can do without dragging wholelot of dependencies: - Anything java related will require a JDK - Debugging any native code will require a whole debugger - Debugging python/ruby will either work or will require dev dependencies Sidenote: Who the fuck uses ansible to debug containers?

raidan 7y ago

The github page for Docker-slim goes into some detail on how this can be done using a side-car container[0]. [0] https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim#debugging-minified-containers https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim#debugging-minifie...

djsumdog 7y ago

I went to a presentation on Sysdig thinking that would be some kind of solution. Not really; not unless you want to hunt down or write syscall filters (or find some online) or pay for the Enterprise version. I just wish there was a way to do the basics: 1. Look at files within my running container (maybe even modify them, without needing vim or nano installed inside it). 2. Ping/ICMP something from within the container (again, without ping being in the container itself) 3. DNS lookups from within the container 4. Connect to a port on an IP or DNS name from within the container 5. Inspect the contents of a dead container that won't start without having to commit it first. I did a post a while back on how I feel about debuggin within containers, and I should probably write another one because I don't think I cover those 5 things: https://battlepenguin.com/tech/my-love-hate-relationship-with-docker-and-container-orchestration-systems/ https://battlepenguin.com/tech/my-love-hate-relationship-wit...

ljm 7y ago
For point one you can grab the running container tag and then add a layer on top with any tools you need. You obviously won’t get the same operational state but if you want to poke around a container you’ve built and see what’s in it, you can just extend it.

tennix 7y ago

You can debug such containers by running another debugging container to join their corresponding namespaces. For example the most frequently used namespaces are pid and network, with these two namespaces joined the target container, you can see its pid and binary as well as the network traffic. For docker and k8s, there are two helpful tools which implement what I said with simple and intuitive UI: * https://github.com/zeromake/docker-debug https://github.com/zeromake/docker-debug * https://github.com/aylei/kubectl-debug https://github.com/aylei/kubectl-debug Edit: Add links for the helper tools.

alinspired 7y ago

use a docker sidecar, in fact explained in the docker-slim repo: https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim#debugging-minified-containers https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim#debugging-minifie...

kylequest 7y ago
And with Kubernetes you can use Ephemeral Containers for that.

kimi 7y ago

yum install

yegle 7y ago

For running network related debug tool: use nsenter (https://github.com/jpetazzo/nsenter/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/jpetazzo/nsenter/blob/master/README.md) which allows you to run network related tools using the network namespace of the container. For simple shell access, use the :debug variant of distroless images which include a shell. For more complex troubleshooting, I think other people has recommended many ways. I haven't had the need to do such troubleshooting but if I need to I would mount an image with necessary binaries into the container. This is where distroless becomes handy: I can mount a Debian image and don't worry about ABI compatibility.

quicksilver03 7y ago

I'd love to have 50 upvotes to give to this particular comment. With Docker being so fashionable, too many applications which have strictly no business being containerized are shoehorned into containers (e.g. Confluence). My rule of thumb is: as soon as I have to `docker exec` into a running container because something's wrong, this container needs to be stopped and a VM should be used instead.