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This is a security issue. Part of the solution is legal, part is technical. If a type of house lock or alarm system is defective, it's still important for the

This is a security issue. Part of the solution is legal, part is technical. If a type of house lock or alarm system is defective, it's still important for the problems to be fixed in the next generation and for owners to upgrade or patch the problem.

atoav 7y ago
And the roots are socioeconomical. The only lasting solution is targeting the roots that motivate/force people to steal in the first place, but this is obviously a more complicated and long term endavour, which depends on a political will that is currently nonexistent. In other nations with a better social system this worked quite well however.
- opo 7y ago
  Which countries have a significantly low car theft rate? In the US: >...in 2017. In 2018, 748,841 vehicles were stolen, down 3.1 percent from 772,943 vehicles in 2017. Meanwhile in Europe: >...Police in the EU recorded on average 697 000 car thefts yearly over the period 2015 to 2017, a 29% reduction compared to the period 2008 to 2010 (yearly average 983 000). https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-auto-theft https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-auto-the... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20191104-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/D...
  - RandallBrown 7y ago
    Stealing the whole car vs. stealing objects inside the car is completely different. Do you have numbers for that?
    - hermitdev 7y ago
      I dont have stats, but in the 00's, my brother who lived in west Seattle at the time, had his SUV broken into 3 times in a short period. They ignored the stock stereo, hundreds of CDs, expensive set of golf clubs. Besides smashing a window, what was the damage? They stole his headlights. This was back when xenon headlights were novel. From what I recall, the police told him was something along the lines of "we'll never recover the parts and we'll likely never catch the crooks". Basically, they cant fulfill their job, and my brother was told to get ready for the insurance rate hike.
      - 2rsf 7y ago
        > This was back when xenon headlights were novel they are still expensive, in Sweden BMW steering wheels are a hit in the last few years
    - opo 7y ago
      I am not sure your point. The original argument made by the parent was that "In other nations with a better social system this worked quite well however." Is your hypothesis that these better social systems lead to comparable rates of major crime but significantly lower rates of petty crime? On the face of it that seems unlikely, but I'd be interested in any evidence you have.
      - RandallBrown 7y ago
        I don't have any evidence, but to my intuition it makes a lot of sense. The amount of time, effort, and risk to sell a stolen car seems much higher than the amount of effort to sell the stuff you find in the back seat of a car. Since most people resorting to crime for money are pretty desperate, I would imagine they would choose the easier, faster, and safer method. I couldn't find any numbers to back this up though, most crime statistics I saw focused on violent crime.
- refurb 7y ago
  I’d love to find out how many people are stealing cars because they have no other way to make money. My guess is very few. Stealing cars is just easy money.
  - atoav 7y ago
    You are right much of this might just be oportunity (e.g. if you leave the car jnlocked). But breaking into a locked car still demands a certain culture that provides you with excuses (to yourself) why it is okay for you to steal (e.g. “I deserve this because society never treated me the way it should”). People don’t really just think of themselves as the bad guy.
    - DataWorker 7y ago
      Those people see it as capitalism. They call it “the game.”
- burntoutfire 7y ago
  > The only lasting solution is targeting the roots that motivate/force people to steal in the first place, but this is obviously a more complicated and long term endavour, which depends on a political will that is currently nonexistent. I don't think we understand why some people turn to theft while others, in seemingly identical life situations, don't.

atoav 7y ago

And the roots are socioeconomical. The only lasting solution is targeting the roots that motivate/force people to steal in the first place, but this is obviously a more complicated and long term endavour, which depends on a political will that is currently nonexistent. In other nations with a better social system this worked quite well however.

opo 7y ago
Which countries have a significantly low car theft rate? In the US: >...in 2017. In 2018, 748,841 vehicles were stolen, down 3.1 percent from 772,943 vehicles in 2017. Meanwhile in Europe: >...Police in the EU recorded on average 697 000 car thefts yearly over the period 2015 to 2017, a 29% reduction compared to the period 2008 to 2010 (yearly average 983 000). https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-auto-theft https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-auto-the... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20191104-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/D...
- RandallBrown 7y ago
  Stealing the whole car vs. stealing objects inside the car is completely different. Do you have numbers for that?
  - hermitdev 7y ago
    I dont have stats, but in the 00's, my brother who lived in west Seattle at the time, had his SUV broken into 3 times in a short period. They ignored the stock stereo, hundreds of CDs, expensive set of golf clubs. Besides smashing a window, what was the damage? They stole his headlights. This was back when xenon headlights were novel. From what I recall, the police told him was something along the lines of "we'll never recover the parts and we'll likely never catch the crooks". Basically, they cant fulfill their job, and my brother was told to get ready for the insurance rate hike.
    - 2rsf 7y ago
      > This was back when xenon headlights were novel they are still expensive, in Sweden BMW steering wheels are a hit in the last few years
  - opo 7y ago
    I am not sure your point. The original argument made by the parent was that "In other nations with a better social system this worked quite well however." Is your hypothesis that these better social systems lead to comparable rates of major crime but significantly lower rates of petty crime? On the face of it that seems unlikely, but I'd be interested in any evidence you have.
    - RandallBrown 7y ago
      I don't have any evidence, but to my intuition it makes a lot of sense. The amount of time, effort, and risk to sell a stolen car seems much higher than the amount of effort to sell the stuff you find in the back seat of a car. Since most people resorting to crime for money are pretty desperate, I would imagine they would choose the easier, faster, and safer method. I couldn't find any numbers to back this up though, most crime statistics I saw focused on violent crime.
refurb 7y ago
I’d love to find out how many people are stealing cars because they have no other way to make money. My guess is very few. Stealing cars is just easy money.
- atoav 7y ago
  You are right much of this might just be oportunity (e.g. if you leave the car jnlocked). But breaking into a locked car still demands a certain culture that provides you with excuses (to yourself) why it is okay for you to steal (e.g. “I deserve this because society never treated me the way it should”). People don’t really just think of themselves as the bad guy.
  - DataWorker 7y ago
    Those people see it as capitalism. They call it “the game.”
burntoutfire 7y ago
> The only lasting solution is targeting the roots that motivate/force people to steal in the first place, but this is obviously a more complicated and long term endavour, which depends on a political will that is currently nonexistent. I don't think we understand why some people turn to theft while others, in seemingly identical life situations, don't.