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While I don't disagree with the rant, I note that the latest post on this gentleman's blog is today (December 10. 2019). Not using the internet isn't a real op

While I don't disagree with the rant, I note that the latest post on this gentleman's blog is today (December 10. 2019). Not using the internet isn't a real option anymore.

ncmncm 7y ago
So, he uses it, but has no fun.
yellowapple 7y ago
There's a difference between publishing to the Web and consuming published content on the Web. These complaints are about the state of the latter, as effected by less-than-benign actors doing the former. One can do the former without doing the latter (see also: Richard Stallman, who last I checked still doesn't use a web browser of any sort, yet somehow still maintains his own blog).
- BlueTemplar 7y ago
  Huh, is there no FLOSS, Stallman-compatible browser?
  - krapp 7y ago
    There's no Stallman-compatible internet for him to use it on[0]. He goes through great pains to avoid identifying himself by accessing the internet directly, and to avoid interacting in any way with non-free content. "...I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the HTML page directly. I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it (using konqueror, which won't fetch from other sites in such a situation)." [0]https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
    - BlueTemplar 7y ago
      Thanks, but this very quote names a browser that he uses?
      - krapp 7y ago
        Fair enough, he "uses" a web browser, for very limited definitions of use. His beliefs about the inherently non-free nature of the web and his fears about surveillance still make it infeasible for him to consume the web directly, unless it's with someone else's browser.
        BlueTemplar 7y ago
        I'm pretty much boycotting Facebook/Twitter(/Discord), and seriously thinking about boycotting YouTube/Reddit - am I not using the Web (or the Internet - those are not the same...) ?

While I don't disagree with the rant, I note that the latest post on this gentleman's blog is today (December 10. 2019). Not using the internet isn't a real option anymore.

ncmncm 7y ago

So, he uses it, but has no fun.

yellowapple 7y ago

There's a difference between publishing to the Web and consuming published content on the Web. These complaints are about the state of the latter, as effected by less-than-benign actors doing the former. One can do the former without doing the latter (see also: Richard Stallman, who last I checked still doesn't use a web browser of any sort, yet somehow still maintains his own blog).

BlueTemplar 7y ago
Huh, is there no FLOSS, Stallman-compatible browser?
- krapp 7y ago
  There's no Stallman-compatible internet for him to use it on[0]. He goes through great pains to avoid identifying himself by accessing the internet directly, and to avoid interacting in any way with non-free content. "...I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the HTML page directly. I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it (using konqueror, which won't fetch from other sites in such a situation)." [0]https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
  - BlueTemplar 7y ago
    Thanks, but this very quote names a browser that he uses?
    - krapp 7y ago
      Fair enough, he "uses" a web browser, for very limited definitions of use. His beliefs about the inherently non-free nature of the web and his fears about surveillance still make it infeasible for him to consume the web directly, unless it's with someone else's browser.
      - BlueTemplar 7y ago
        I'm pretty much boycotting Facebook/Twitter(/Discord), and seriously thinking about boycotting YouTube/Reddit - am I not using the Web (or the Internet - those are not the same...) ?