> there's no substitute for the study of mathematical logic and math more generally I disagree with that account. I realize I'm on hacker news, but I must say

> there's no substitute for the study of mathematical logic and math more generally I disagree with that account. I realize I'm on hacker news, but I must say that philosophical logic is extremely valuable in itself, and can be successfully studied without any concern for mathematics. I actually know a bunch of brilliant mathematicians, and their reasoning skills on informal reasoning are totally average.