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> Anyways, that's what I think. How do you think SF defines American culture now in 2019? What is it that we export more web presences? Almost every American '

> Anyways, that's what I think. How do you think SF defines American culture now in 2019? What is it that we export more web presences? Almost every American 'culture war' issue has been centered in SF. This is incredibly important, more so than movies, plays, or art. It's one thing to produce a popular play. It is something completely different to be so influential that you manage to convince an entire nation to give up on their tens of thousands of years old definition of marriage. And yes, SF was the center of that. It was the center of the 'sexual revolution', arguably the kick off to all the culture war issues we see today. Regardless of how you feel about them, it is incredibly difficult to argue that the values often espoused in and around SF are not winning.

CalChris 7y ago
That culture war nonsense is projected by media onto SF (or CA). It isn’t SF defining American culture. Again, SF may have had some cultural leadership back in the 60s but no one walks around in bell bottoms anymore. SF isn’t that different from other major cities. It has the same problems. Maybe I’m missing something but this place is way too busy to care about culture.
- tathougies 7y ago
  I disagree... Things don't get projected by the media arbitrarily. The issue is that you are assuming culture means cultural products -- movies, songs, books, etc. I'm talking about culture as fundamental values. In my opinion, the cultural products are a product of culture. In the grand arc of history, cultural artifacts are influenced in design by the culture that made them, not vice versa. > no one walks around in bell bottoms anymore Right, that's because the bell bottom wearers all became really rich selling you the phone you're always on. The idea that this is not also part of culture is some kind of weird double think.

CalChris 7y ago

That culture war nonsense is projected by media onto SF (or CA). It isn’t SF defining American culture. Again, SF may have had some cultural leadership back in the 60s but no one walks around in bell bottoms anymore. SF isn’t that different from other major cities. It has the same problems. Maybe I’m missing something but this place is way too busy to care about culture.

tathougies 7y ago
I disagree... Things don't get projected by the media arbitrarily. The issue is that you are assuming culture means cultural products -- movies, songs, books, etc. I'm talking about culture as fundamental values. In my opinion, the cultural products are a product of culture. In the grand arc of history, cultural artifacts are influenced in design by the culture that made them, not vice versa. > no one walks around in bell bottoms anymore Right, that's because the bell bottom wearers all became really rich selling you the phone you're always on. The idea that this is not also part of culture is some kind of weird double think.