> I’m not saying the FB engineers are “better”, but I am saying the level of ownership, design, code quality, etc is day and night different... an environment

> I’m not saying the FB engineers are “better”, but I am saying the level of ownership, design, code quality, etc is day and night different... an environment like FB, Amazon, Google etc will force you to become a great developer (rigorous code reviews, various levels or owning what you wrote, supporting your services, developing run books, etc etc. That is actually exactly what you're saying... but I agree, and thanks for including Amazon in this. Usually people don't, I've noticed.